tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2700656505089431322024-02-19T16:23:04.662-08:00Not just the PARRYs – a genealogy blog for all my ancestors.Barbara Griffithshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06663134740555588042noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-270065650508943132.post-62236263263295553932023-06-05T11:21:00.000-07:002023-06-05T11:21:21.152-07:00Elsie May THOMAS - another look at the 1921 census<p>Back in January 2022, I wrote about the release of the UK 1921 census, which is currently only available through FindMyPast, and about those ancestors I had expected to find in it. [That post, "First look at the 1921 census" can be seen <a href="http://notjusttheparrys.blogspot.com/2022/01/first-look-at-1921-census.html">here</a> ]</p><p>At the time, I was unable to find my grandmother, Elsie May THOMAS, who was not at home with her parents, George and Rose THOMAS in Collington. Six of her siblings were with them, including Elsie's older brother, Ernest:</p><p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjFbN9phzxCsxqpiL3Puug466L5StTXlqJuxTqfM_SP8wvlOkjA_iSkw7Wre_bsk-AStghEV6MuXkCOmayq_eLziKsKXshSjpqtrF_cYvvDJrTJxBx7hw5eeZJNPncpPGJdMJul6pfBypBu718u97Zmnlyj_6SMkeJX2DkRaldvltIcVkqKFxlpyFuziQ/s940/THOMAS%20family%201921.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="159" data-original-width="940" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjFbN9phzxCsxqpiL3Puug466L5StTXlqJuxTqfM_SP8wvlOkjA_iSkw7Wre_bsk-AStghEV6MuXkCOmayq_eLziKsKXshSjpqtrF_cYvvDJrTJxBx7hw5eeZJNPncpPGJdMJul6pfBypBu718u97Zmnlyj_6SMkeJX2DkRaldvltIcVkqKFxlpyFuziQ/s16000/THOMAS%20family%201921.jpg" /></a></div><br /><p></p><p>As can be seen, the four youngest children are all aged under fourteen, and still in full time education, but Matilda, at 15, is already working as a servant for someone else in nearby Wolferlow.</p><p>Since the ages of the 'missing' older girls ranged from seventeen to twenty four, I suspected they were all living away from home, probably employed in some form of domestic service. This was soon confirmed to be the case for the eldest girl, Edith, aged 24, who I found with her grandparents, John and Priscilla THOMAS, in Stoke Bliss, recorded as working for John, dealing with the poultry and dairy work.</p><p>The other two girls were not difficult to find: </p><p>Hilda Mary THOMAS, aged 22, was in Mamble, Cleobury Mortimer, in Shropshire, employed as a "Help" to a farmer and his wife, who had an eight month old baby.</p><p>And Ada Annie, at 17, was a domestic servant for another family in Collington. </p><p>But there was no sign of Elsie. I suspected that she was in the database somewhere, probably local to the rest of the family, but just mistranscribed to such an extent that it made her difficult to find. I did try some possible alternative spellings, but without success.</p><p>This is always a problem when using computerised databases - if you don't search using the spellings that match what is recorded in the database, even with the use of wildcards, it can be impossible to find people.</p><p>Fortunately, in October last year, FindMyPast introduced an additional subscription covering the 1921 census. So, for a relatively small payment (compared to what I could have previously spent trying out "possible" entries), I would be able to view all of the 1921 census images. This meant that I could go back to using the "old" method for finding someone in a census, ie ploughing through the images page by page.</p><p>And it didn't take long. </p><p>As I had suspected, Elsie was still local, in Upper Sapey, just a few miles from Collington, working as a general domestic servant. She had been transcribed under the name of "Elsie Mary NAMAS"</p><p> </p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjKZ54ub3ovvYndbRf4uUPh19PbXYj9rJ_Peh-XrwO9svc1frGXn4psoKPBegpImaj09mf64K23xrdULFjkjBs_wo0jSXkdSGG3snQXFRMGDsp3k7stXRNP039Hl1jxNBoGeULTBuStLTI4u-wEt9rL5QrQoaOIPfzKVaAymPtJSzkgxn8IgfawePdOeA/s1492/Elsie%20May%20(NAMAS)%20THOMAS%20in%201921.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="201" data-original-width="1492" height="86" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjKZ54ub3ovvYndbRf4uUPh19PbXYj9rJ_Peh-XrwO9svc1frGXn4psoKPBegpImaj09mf64K23xrdULFjkjBs_wo0jSXkdSGG3snQXFRMGDsp3k7stXRNP039Hl1jxNBoGeULTBuStLTI4u-wEt9rL5QrQoaOIPfzKVaAymPtJSzkgxn8IgfawePdOeA/w640-h86/Elsie%20May%20(NAMAS)%20THOMAS%20in%201921.jpg" width="640" /></a></div><br /><p></p><p>After obtaining confirmation from some of the other Guild members, who agreed with me that it was "May," rather than "Mary," and also that the surname was more likely to be THOMAS, than NAMAS, I contacted FindMyPast, who also agreed and soon made the correction.</p><p>With hindsight, it becomes easy to ask, "Why didn't I try.... combination of search terms?" In my defence, all I can say is that I did my best, especially given that it was past midnight, and many of the combinations I did try were producing hundreds, if not thousands, of results. </p><p>So I am just happy that Elsie had a job fairly locally and that the 'old' method therefore worked quite quickly.</p><p><br /></p>Barbara Griffithshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06663134740555588042noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-270065650508943132.post-85585132925126456012023-06-03T09:25:00.000-07:002023-06-03T09:25:21.751-07:00The ongoing search for my ALLEN ancestry<p>I recently returned to looking at my mother's ALLEN ancestry. The research on this line hit a 'brick wall' some years ago, with an Edward ALLEN, born about 1786 who moved into London from Hertfordshire, probably sometime around 1840. He appears in Lambeth in the 1841 census, with his wife, Sophia, and four of their eight children, all of them recorded as born outside of the county.* </p><p>The connection back to Hertfordshire had been made (after many years of searching!) following the discovery of the baptism of Edward's son, John Prosser ALLEN, my 2x great grandfather, in the parish of Thundridge, on one of the LDS Vital Records cds. </p><p>In the later censuses, once the family are in London, they never seem to put their parish of birth, merely the county, and, in several of the census entries, it reads more like "Herefordshire" than "Hertfordshire". Hence the long search for where they had come from.</p><p>Having finally identified the relevant parish, I'd viewed the parish registers on microfilm at my local LDS Family History Centre. The register for John's baptism gave the family's address as High Cross, Standon - which is actually a hamlet in the adjoining parish to Thundridge. Working through the register, I found the baptisms of the other children who appear in the censuses, as well as discovering the burial of Edward and Sophia's eldest daughter, Louisa, in April 1841, with the address recorded as Lambeth. So that helped to confirm the connection.</p><p>But attempting to take the family line any further back stalled with the discovery that there were two Edward ALLENs born around the same time - one Edward born 1785, son of a John and Jane, and the other Edward born 1787, son of an Edward and Ann - and no obvious way to confirm which one was 'mine'. </p><p>ALLEN is quite a 'popular' surname and so, with other activities to deal with at the time, it was easiest to pause the research there. Returning to it again recently, I first refreshed my memory by grouping the various entries, which I'd previously collected in a spreadsheet, into families. John and Jane had four children between 1779-1785: William, Ann, Sarah, and Edward, with a possible fifth, an Elizabeth, christened with parents, John and "Jenny", in 1789. Edward and Ann had six children between 1781-1791: George, Christian, Hariott, Edward, Richard and John Canfield. [Note: two spellings of this name, "Canfield" and "Camfield," appear in the records so, for any references below, to searching for the name, I will have checked both versions.] </p><p>Since the two couples were having children in the same place, over similar time periods, it seemed possible that Edward and John might be brothers.</p><p>The John Canfield ALLEN later used the middle name of "Canfield" for his first two sons, and then the middle name of "Kilham" for two others, but at least three other sons had no middle name. In view of the fact that my Edward also only gave one of his seven sons a middle name, that seemed intriguing. But, since I knew that this John Canfield ALLEN was not my ancestor, I had not paid a great deal of attention to him before. </p><p>However, this time, I decided to research him, since he was the brother of one of the Edwards who 'might' be my ancestor. Following him through the censuses - I promptly realised that, in 1851, he has his brother Edward living with him!* Maybe I saw this and didn't realise the significance before, or maybe it wasn't available then (we forget how many records the genealogy companies have added over the years). But, since I know that 'my' Edward had died in Lambeth in 1849, this obviously means that I can now discount the baptism entry for Edward, the son of Edward and Ann. </p><p>So, potentially the Edward, son of John and Jane, could be the correct one for my line. </p><p>But how could I be sure? </p><p>As well as searching for John Canfield ALLEN on the genealogy sites, I'd looked in the National Archives catalogue, since the combination of his three names was likely to be easy to identify. There I found a couple of relevant references, for example "Henry Allen of Wadesmill, Thundridge, son of John Canfield Allen, farmer..." and a conveyance to him of land in High Cross, Standon.</p><p>Then I tried just "Canfield AND Allen" - that resulted in a reference to a Court Roll in April 1744, which was described as "Admission of <b>Mary Allen</b>, widow, under will and surrender of <b>Andrew Camfield.</b>"</p><p>Since this item is held by Hertfordshire Archives and Local Studies, I switched to their catalogue, where I found another interesting and very informative entry:</p><blockquote style="border: none; margin: 0px 0px 0px 40px; padding: 0px; text-align: left;"><p>Title: Waggon and Horses</p><p>Description: (Formerly Gun and Catherine Wheel, formerly Gun), blacksmiths shop and yard; messuage abutting on its north side; 2 other messuages all in High Cross, copy will, <b>Andrew Canfield of Highcross blacksmith </b>proved 15 Sep 1741; copy will and codicil, <b>Edward Allen the elder of Highcross, blacksmith,</b> 29 Dec 1791; probate John Forster of High Cross, labourer, 1 May 1746; copy will, Edward Mason of Stanstead Abbott, cordwainer, proved 16 May 1788 (74)</p></blockquote><div>Aha! Relevant names in the relevant place. And, what was particularly interesting to me, they were both blacksmiths. Because, although John Canfield ALLEN's occupation is generally recorded as farmer, or corn factor, the occupation of my ancestor, Edward ALLEN, was that of a blacksmith. </div><div><br /></div><div>Back on FindMyPast, I found a burial for an Andrew Canfield, blacksmith, in Great Hormead on 20 August 1741, which seemed to be the only one that fitted the Will reference. Another entry among the results caught my eye - one, dated 1740, for an Andrew Canfield in the "Essex Wills Beneficiaries Index, 1675-1858" Checking the details indicated that he was the father-in-law to the testator, a "W Allin", of Great Hormead.</div><div><br /></div><div>The Essex Wills Beneficiaries Index is, as one might expect, an index of the beneficiaries in Wills - but there are a few 'unexpected' features. It just covers Wills held in the Essex Record Office and primarily only lists beneficiaries who have a different surname from the testator. The place given might be for the testator, and not the beneficiary. Also the date given is the date of the Will, ie when it was written, not the date when it was proved, which could be some years later. I found helpful information about the Index on the "Essex and Sussex Surnames" site at, <a href="https://essexandsuffolksurnames.co.uk/essex-wills-beneficiaries-index/">https://essexandsuffolksurnames.co.uk/essex-wills-beneficiaries-index/</a> </div><div><br /></div><div>Having found the entry referring to Andrew CANFIELD, I then searched for ALLENs in the Beneficiaries Index and found the following, potentially relevant, entries:</div><blockquote style="border: none; margin: 0px 0px 0px 40px; padding: 0px; text-align: left;"><p>BR22 383, dated 1731, testator: A Canfield [Standon] listing ALLEN beneficiaries of Mary (dau), William (son-in-law), and then William, John and Edward, all grandsons.</p><p>MR12 50, dated 1752, testator M BANGS [Standon] listing ALLEN beneficiaries of Jane (daughter) and John (son-in-law).</p><p>MR12 50, dated 1755, testator W BANGS [Standon] listing ALLEN beneficiaries of Jane (daughter) and John (son-in-law).</p></blockquote><p>So, based on the first entry, Andrew CANFIELD had a daughter, Mary, who married a William ALLEN. They had children, William, John and Edward. Could the John and Edward be the two men in the "Edward and Ann" and "John and Jane" couples above?</p><p>At this point, several issues dawned on me:</p><p></p><ul style="text-align: left;"><li>The marriage of Jane BANGS to John ALLEN (of Braughing), which, according to FindMyPast, took place in Standon in 1749, was not in my spreadsheet. Therefore my spreadsheet must be incomplete.</li><li>If that's the John and Jane ALLEN having children between 1779-1785, then that's a long gap between their marriage and having children.</li><li>Likewise, since Andrew Canfield listed his grandsons, William, John and Edward, when he wrote his Will in 1731, that John and Edward would have to be aged around fifty before having children, if they were the fathers in the two families I listed above. </li></ul><p>So clearly, despite the occurrence of the "right" names and occupations, the entries are unlikely to fit together in such a straightforward way as it initially might appear - which is why this is an "ongoing" search!</p><p>Next steps:</p><p></p><ul style="text-align: left;"><li>Extract more of the parish register entries into my spreadsheet, widening the search to other parishes beyond my initial selection.</li><li>Obtain copies of the relevant Wills, transcribe them, and confirm the relationships between the individuals mentioned, as well as look for any further identifying features.</li><li>Check out the tithe records relating to land and properties owned, and occupied, by the ALLENs to establish exactly who was living where.</li><li>Explore, in more detail, the entries in the various archives' catalogues relating to land and property ownership.</li></ul><p></p><p>The following is just a screenshot of a quick map, drawn in Google Maps and then opened in Google Earth, in order to show the relationships between the various places mentioned above. The linear pattern is interesting, since I remember visiting an historic "Smithy" once, where it was mentioned that blacksmiths' workshops would often be along a main route. Had the family established themselves along a main route from London to Cambridge? [or is it just an artifact of how I produced the map! 😊]</p><p><br /></p><p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEg_XARgUlCsWbescPTgYLGABOBB8SsMqrVyCxleoEnmr3F5LGmg_GHlrfG6ru1nPEPVkXG266kqqy0MlS0253Ro9OCV_gnCFAqkF5j-gi_XHh8-yHmdoymcUXQtVLwxhOpDm8ZHpqoHMHuqDcUYfRp3NB_sz_nkzAu9BJ81e5TYd47Dzfw_EVYE5im_Cg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img alt="" data-original-height="680" data-original-width="1087" height="400" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEg_XARgUlCsWbescPTgYLGABOBB8SsMqrVyCxleoEnmr3F5LGmg_GHlrfG6ru1nPEPVkXG266kqqy0MlS0253Ro9OCV_gnCFAqkF5j-gi_XHh8-yHmdoymcUXQtVLwxhOpDm8ZHpqoHMHuqDcUYfRp3NB_sz_nkzAu9BJ81e5TYd47Dzfw_EVYE5im_Cg=w640-h400" width="640" /></a></div><br /><br /><p></p><p><br /></p><p>* <b>Additional information about sources:</b></p><p>1841 Lambeth census for Edward, Sophia and 4 children: HO107/1058/9/13/20/2387 (Piece/Book/Folio/Page/Schedule) Union Street, St Mary Lambeth, London.</p><p>1851 census for John Canfield ALLEN and his family: HO107/1705/570/1/3 (Piece/Folio/Page/Schedule) Plashes Farm, Standon, Ware, Hertfordshire, England</p><p>TNA Entry relating to the Court Roll: https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/2e9b8cb6-8ad3-48ac-98bc-c9b0d1636a79</p><p>Hertfordshire Archives and Local Studies entry about the Waggon and Horses: https://www.hertfordshirearchives.org.uk/collections/getrecord/GB46_CDESb_1_1_40_2</p><p><br /></p><div><br /></div>Barbara Griffithshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06663134740555588042noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-270065650508943132.post-21740281239749416332022-01-08T09:24:00.000-08:002022-01-08T09:24:13.692-08:00First look at the 1921 census<p> I haven't done much family history research over the last couple of years. But the release of the 1921 census on FindMyPast seemed a good opportunity to dip in to it again, to see what information the census could add about some of my closest ancestors, people I had actually known. </p><p>I'm not normally one to 'rush in' as soon as a database is released - there's often too many issues to make it worthwhile, better to wait until demand has settled down a bit and any initial technical problems have been resolved. But, with a short priority list, I reckoned a late night/early morning finding them would mean I could then get on with other activities again.</p><p>So that's how I found myself, counting down to that midnight deadline: </p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEiSSqaFWX_YRD-oMR520jbsD1Kl2petXT7q4-nqTj_QvgL49FdAl391wl-cFwzjafxk9YcD_k0pjXYuB5OMsNpvYWCPbA6EKrNHB06oivEPrd5mj11vPO2Rv0ArHWS4lUXW2m8WPOch8Hc_rIleIVCkqcG1VyFVbObEYeHMI4aEZ7EYbV046Bk_GjWbBw=s3610" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="2204" data-original-width="3610" height="390" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEiSSqaFWX_YRD-oMR520jbsD1Kl2petXT7q4-nqTj_QvgL49FdAl391wl-cFwzjafxk9YcD_k0pjXYuB5OMsNpvYWCPbA6EKrNHB06oivEPrd5mj11vPO2Rv0ArHWS4lUXW2m8WPOch8Hc_rIleIVCkqcG1VyFVbObEYeHMI4aEZ7EYbV046Bk_GjWbBw=w640-h390" width="640" /></a></div><br /><p>So this was my list of priorities:</p><p style="text-align: center;">Grandfather: Donald Martin PARRY, (1904-1980)</p><p style="text-align: center;">Grandmother: Elsie May THOMAS, (1902-1982)</p><p style="text-align: center;">Grandfather: John William Frederick ALLEN (1892-1967)</p><p style="text-align: center;">Grandmother: Maud Emily Alice DOWDING (1896-1971)</p><p style="text-align: center;">Great Grandparents: George THOMAS (1871-1955), with wife, Rose Hannah (1874-1958)</p><p style="text-align: center;">Great Grandparents: John Prosser ALLEN (1866-1945), with wife, Caroline (1866-1953)</p><p style="text-align: center;">Great Grandparents: Charles Henry DOWDING (1865-1933), with wife, Minnie Louisa (1865-1934)</p><p style="text-align: center;">2xGreat Grandparents: John THOMAS (1843-1929), with wife, Priscilla (1846-1932)</p><p style="text-align: center;">2xGreat Grandparents: George HAYNES (1855-?), with wife, Caroline (1855-1933)</p><p style="text-align: left;"><br /></p><p style="text-align: left;">(This was the point at which I realised I still have eight death dates for various 2xGreat grandparents to identify. A talk by Jeanne Bunting, on the importance of "burying your ancestors", at a Guild of One-Name Studies seminar, flashed briefly across my brain.)</p><h3 style="text-align: left;"><span style="text-align: center;">Donald Martin PARRY, (1904-1980)</span></h3><div style="text-align: left;">Finding Donald was easy - he was exactly where I expected him to be, in Rowleston, Herefordshire. I have already written about him in my "Favourite Photo" post at <a href="https://notjusttheparrys.blogspot.com/2018/01/52-ancestors-in-52-weeks-week-2.html">https://notjusttheparrys.blogspot.com/2018/01/52-ancestors-in-52-weeks-week-2.html</a> Orphaned when he was 14, he and his sister were separated and sent to live with 'relatives'. I knew this was a WILLIAMS family for Donald, but now, finally, I know which WILLIAMS family - a Joseph Henry WILLIAMS, with wife Gertrude, and children, Geraldine, William, Henry, Irene, and Gwendolyne. </div><p style="text-align: left;">A quick search revealed Gertrude's maiden name was THACKWAY, which hasn't appeared in my research so far, and, although I do know about various connected WILLIAMS families, this particular one isn't one I have come across before. So investigating how they might be related to us has gone onto my "ToDo" list. </p><h3 style="text-align: left;"><span style="text-align: center;">Elsie May THOMAS, (1902-1982) and her parents, George and Rose Hannah THOMAS</span></h3><div><span style="text-align: center;">After the intial success with Donald, I was feeling positive - but disappointment soon followed, when I searched for Elsie. Despite trying various search tactics, I was unable to find her. Her parents were easy to find in Collington, Herefordshire, along with six of her siblings still at home. But Elsie and three other siblings are absent. </span></div><div><span style="text-align: center;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="text-align: center;">It's not surprising - they were all old enough to be working (or married) and, as females, would often be 'living in', in service somewhere. That perhaps increases the possibility of errors in recording or transcription, as the census entry will probably have been completed by a non-family member, who might not get the name correct, or a transcriber not spotting the variations in a household's surnames.</span></div><div><span style="text-align: center;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="text-align: center;">More work needed there, unfortunately.</span></div><div><span style="text-align: center;"><br /></span></div><h3 style="text-align: left;"><span style="text-align: center;">John William Frederick ALLEN (1892-1967), and his parents, John and Caroline ALLEN</span></h3><div><span style="text-align: center;">Initially, there was more frustration when I searched for my other grandfather, John. There are a lot of John ALLENs in London!</span></div><div><span style="text-align: center;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="text-align: center;">Again, I tried a variety of tactics - parts of his first names, birthplace variations, other members of the family. I wasn't sure whether he would be with his parents - although I did know he was widowed, with a young son who his parents had looked after while John was away in the army. </span></div><div><span style="text-align: center;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="text-align: center;">Fortunately, when looking at entries in the index, by hovering over the 'payment' options, it is possible to see some of the other people in the household. So, finally, having searched for Caroline, and checking out an entry appearing in the index as just "C ALLEN", I found them. Yes, only John senior was recorded by name - all of the others, Caroline, my grandfather, 'John', another son, Robert, and the son of my grandfather, 'John Frederick", are all recorded with just one initial! Not only that, both my grandfather and his son are shown with the initial "F" - I always knew the son was referred to as "Freddie", but I didn't expect that for my grandfather.</span></div><div><span style="text-align: center;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="text-align: center;">All the other details match up - John senior was a toy maker, working for himself, my grandfather John, was widowed and in the paper trade, and the other son, Robert, was a decorator - so I am quite content that this is the 'right' entry. </span><span style="text-align: center;"> T</span><span style="text-align: center;">he address is also 21 Lambeth Walk - which, if I had thought about it, I could have used as a search term, since I did know that was their address from at least 1911 until many years after 1921. And, having now tried the address search, just to check out how it works, I can see from the index that there is another family at the same address - it's the third son of John and Caroline, Albert Edward ALLEN, with his wife, Alice Irene, and baby daughter, Doris Irene. </span><span style="text-align: center;">An interesting contrast between the two families, with even middle names recorded fully in Albert's household, yet most of my grandfather's household recorded with just first initials. </span></div><div><span style="text-align: center;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="text-align: center;">I'm sure my mother would have found that amusing - she always said her dad could be an "awkward 'so & so'" 😄</span></div><div><span style="text-align: center;"><br /></span></div><h3 style="text-align: left;"><span style="text-align: center;">Maud Emily Alice DOWDING </span>(1896-1971), and her parents, Charles Henry and Minnie Louisa DOWDING</h3><div><span style="text-align: center;">DOWDING is not such a frequently occurring surname as ALLEN, THOMAS or PARRY are, and there were only a few 'Maud DOWDING's of the right age, so my grandmother was easy to find. She and her younger sister, Ethel, were living with their parents in Pratt Street. </span></div><div><span style="text-align: center;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;">The 1921 census gives more occupational details than has been recorded in previous censuses and, although I knew that my grandmother worked in a tobacco factory, it is great to have the name of the factory, "Faulkner & Co", and location, "Blackfriars Rd", as I can now investigate more about them, where exactly the factory was, how large it was, what working conditions were like etc. All of that detail adds 'colour' to the lives of my ancestors.</div><div style="text-align: left;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: left;">I was also interested to see that Maud's sister, Ethel, was a machinist for a "theatrical costumier", H M Raynes, of Waterloo Rd. That conjures up images of glamorous, extravagant, costumes - definitely worth further research.</div><div style="text-align: left;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: left;"> So who did that leave from my priority list - just two sets of 2xGreat Grandparents.</div><div style="text-align: left;"><br /></div><h3 style="text-align: left;"><span style="text-align: center;">John THOMAS (1843-1929), with wife, Priscilla (1846-1932)</span></h3><div><span style="text-align: center;">Fortunately, by this age, my ancestors were a bit more 'settled' - and, not only did I find John and Priscilla in Stoke Bliss, where they'd married over forty years before, but with them was one of their daughters, Lilly, and also one of their granddaughters, Edith, who was one of the four daughters 'missing' from </span><span style="text-align: center;">George and Rose Hannah's family.</span></div><div><span style="text-align: center;"><br /></span></div><h3 style="text-align: left;"><span style="text-align: center;">George HAYNES (1855-?), with wife, Caroline (1855-1933)</span></h3><div><span style="text-align: center;">Again, George and Caroline HAYNES were easy to find, having been living in Sheep Street, Bromyard for many years and still there in 1921. There's nine in the household, a mixture of family, both children and grandchildren, as well as a couple of boarders.</span></div><div><span style="text-align: center;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="text-align: center;">And, for the first time from any of the 1921 census entries, I have some new family information, since there's a married daughter, Annie PULLEN, as well as two, previously unknown, grandchildren, Ellis Thomas PULLEN and Lilian HAYNES. </span></div><div><span style="text-align: center;"><br /></span></div><div><br /></div><div style="text-align: left;">Clearly, I do have a lot more research to carry out now, adding the new members of the family to my files, as well as recording the additional information about occupations etc from the census. </div><div style="text-align: left;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: left;">As well as not finding my grandmother, Elsie May THOMAS, I was unable to find Donald PARRY's sister, Rosina Jane PARRY, despite trying the variety of names she was known by. I did identify an entry for their aunt in Hereford, who I believe Rosina was sent to live with after their father had died in 1918, as well as possible entries for the aunt's two daughters, who had moved to London by 1921. Unfortunately, according to one of Rosina's daughters, Rosina also moved to London when she was about 16 - which would be in 1921 - so she could be almost anywhere that year! </div><div style="text-align: left;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: left;">But, overall, I felt this was a fairly successful set of results for my first foray into the 1921 census (and I wasn't that late to bed, either!)</div>Barbara Griffithshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06663134740555588042noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-270065650508943132.post-59392040717715924962020-04-26T10:05:00.001-07:002020-04-26T10:06:30.265-07:00The family of George THOMAS and Rose Hannah HAYNESWe're now at the end of week 17 of the year and I am only just posting what should have been week 10 of my "52 ancestors and their descendants". Stuff Happens! 🙂<br />
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I am glad I have attempted the "52 ancestors in 52 weeks" principle again, even if I wasn't sticking to the suggested topics. But it is clear to me that I currently do not have the research documented well enough to try working to that schedule. Hence I won't be including that as part of the title anymore and will remove the badge from the blog, as well. From now on, I shall just be posting about my ancestors, and their descendants, as and when it suits the research carried out.<br />
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Anyway, on with my second set of paternal great grandparents, my Dad's maternal grandparents, George THOMAS and Rose Hannah HAYNES.<br />
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George and Rose were married on the 25th December 1895, in Bromyard parish Church. Although Rose Hannah's names had been recorded as "Rose Hannah" at her birth, and "Rosannah" in the 1881 census, perhaps indicating that the family did make common use of her middle name, at her marriage only the name "Rose" is recorded:<br />
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Marriage dates like this always tend to stand out, when I come across them in the records. Why marry on the 25th December - Christmas Day? It is probably not a date that many of us in the UK these days would consider getting married on.<br />
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But, in George and Rose Hannah's time, there weren't the 'holiday entitlements' that the majority of working folk enjoy now. Most people worked six days a week and, if they didn't work, they didn't get paid. So taking time off to get married was often not an option. Weddings were therefore planned for the few public holidays that existed.<br />
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When George and Rose Hannah married, George was 24, working as a carter and living at Stoke Bliss, and Rose was 21, a domestic servant, resident in Bromyard. The certified copy of the certificate that I have was hand written in 1980, so does not contain any of the genuine signatures, but it appears that both George and Rose, as well as their two witnesses, Henry JAMES and Lilly THOMAS (probably one of George's sisters) were able to sign for themselves.<br />
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George and Rose's first child, Edith, was born on the 30th October 1896. At that time they were living at Brick Barns, Underley, Wolferlow, in Herefordshire.<br />
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In the 1891 census, there were three properties called "Underley" (Lower, Middle and Upper), as well as two cottages called "Underley Cottage" The Brick Barns were enumerated in between Middle Underley and Upper Underley and two of George's sisters, Matilda and Annie, were working as servants at Upper Underley. The two girls were living with the family of a Samuel JONES. But a William BALDWIN lived at Lower Underley and I believe, from family stories, that various members of the THOMAS family have worked for the BALDWINs over the years.<br />
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Both Upper Underley and Lower Underley are listed buildings, the former a medieval hall house, the latter dating from the late eighteenth century. A barn to the north west of Lower Underley, dating from the early nineteenth century, is also a listed building. Described as a "large red <b>brick barn</b> with twin gabled wing. Tile roof with gable ends," one wonders if this might have been where George and Rose were living when Edith was born.<br />
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However, based on the enumeration order, since "Middle Underley" was further north than the listed barn (which is within the same group of buildings as Lower Underley), it seems more likely that the relevant "Brick Barns" was closer to Upper Underley.<br />
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George and Rose's second child, Ernest, was born on the 2nd May 1899. The address this time is just given as Underley, Wolferlow, so it is impossible to identify which of the Underley properties the family were living in.<br />
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But when their third child, Hilda Mary, is born on the 13th November 1900, their address is again listed as Brick Barns, Underley, so it seems plausible they had been living there all the time.<br />
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By the time of the 1901 census, the family had moved to Coombs Wood, Collington - still in Herefordshire. I suspect this was somewhere in the region identified as "Cwm Wood" on contemporary maps.<br />
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It was here that my grandmother, Elsie May, was born on the 3rd April 1902. George, who had been described as a "general laborer" for their first three children's births, was this time described as a "Farmer".<br />
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However, when their fifth child, Ada Annie, was born on the 20th April 1904, his occupation was once again "General Laborer". George was the informant for each of these births so one wonders why the variation. Perhaps, as I have found with other ancestors, George was engaged in some small scale farming for himself, whilst also labouring on behalf of an employer, so both occupations were correct.<br />
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Matilda Jane was the next child, born on the 17th May 1906, followed by Emily, on the 25th April 1908. Emily's is the first birth registered by their mother, Rose. One suspects registration had initially been forgotten, as the birth isn't registered until the 11th June 1908, five days over the 42 day time limit. They might have been fined for this late registration, but perhaps there was some leeway as to when fines were applied. Since the Registrar was the same one who had registered all of their previous children, he would be in a position to identify that they were not generally a family who were 'non-compliant', so I hope he was able to waive the fine. (I wonder if the Registrars kept records of fines?)<br />
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On the 30th April 1910, the eighth child and second son, George John, was born.<br />
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The 1911 census shows the family at "Coombs Wood in Whitbourne, Worcester" - I suspect this is yet another case where the family haven't moved but the county boundary (at least, administratively for the census) has! Present are George, Rose, Ernest, Hilda, Elsie, Ada, Matilda, Emily and George.<br />
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The oldest daughter, Edith, aged 14, is working as a general domestic servant at Butterley Mill Bromyard. Although it is often difficult to identify individuals working as servants away from their families, I think the fact that Edith's birth place is recorded as "Barn House Woffellow", I can be quite confident about this entry.🙂<br />
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In the years following the census, two further children were born, both girls, Olive, on the 5th December 1912, and finally, Dorothy Rose, on the 1st June 1915.<br />
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From my point of view, there is a benefit from this number of children being in the family - it has led to there being many descendants, which increases the chances of some of them deciding to take a DNA test.<br />
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George and Rose had twenty nine grandchildren (that I know of) and I am aware of at least fifty two other great grandchildren. Since these great grandchildren are all within the range of 'siblings to second cousins' to me, any of them that take a DNA test should show up as matching me.<br />
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Already, I have a cluster of "shared matches" as a result, and any new matches that also match people in this cluster can therefore be identified as connected to my THOMAS/HAYNES ancestral lines in some way, even if I don't know the exact link.<br />
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It is wonderful to be able to confirm my genealogy through the use of DNA like this.<br />
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<span style="background-color: white; border-collapse: collapse; border-spacing: 0px; line-height: 20px; list-style: outside none none;"><span style="border-collapse: collapse; border-spacing: 0px; color: #666666; font-family: "arial" , "helvetica" , sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 20px; list-style: outside none none;">Christmas Day weddings - <a href="https://www.findmypast.co.uk/blog/discoveries/christmas-day-weddings" target="_blank">https://www.findmypast.co.uk/blog/discoveries/christmas-day-weddings</a></span></span><br />
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<span style="background-color: white; border-collapse: collapse; border-spacing: 0px; line-height: 20px; list-style: outside none none;"><span style="border-collapse: collapse; border-spacing: 0px; color: #666666; font-family: "arial" , "helvetica" , sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 20px; list-style: outside none none;">Historic England Listings for Underley, Herefordshire:</span></span><br />
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<span style="background-color: white; border-collapse: collapse; border-spacing: 0px; line-height: 20px; list-style: outside none none;"><span style="border-collapse: collapse; border-spacing: 0px; color: #666666; font-family: "arial" , "helvetica" , sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 20px; list-style: outside none none;">1911 (Edith): Class: RG14; Piece: 15787; Schedule Number: 50 </span></span>Barbara Griffithshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06663134740555588042noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-270065650508943132.post-15902071129430742152020-04-15T10:08:00.000-07:002020-04-15T10:08:23.062-07:00Ancestry DNA matches - passing 200 "4th cousins or closer"I was planning to post an update to my Ancestry DNA match numbers when I reached 200 4th cousins or closer.<br />
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But clearly someone, somewhere, has a sense of humour!<br />
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Having been slowly creeping up towards 200 over the last few weeks....<br />
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....yesterday when I checked, the total had jumped from the previous day's 198, up by three to 201, thus missing out 200! 😀<br />
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An increase like this is what one might expect, when a group of family members all decide to test at the same time. The closest match is a predicted third cousin to me and then the other two are both predicted 4th cousins.<br />
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I think it's the first time I've received such a batch of close matches, all on the same day.<br />
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Initially. all three matches showed with unlinked trees - but at least they were trees that featured, not just one of my surnames, ALLEN, but also the similar use of a particular middle name. The trees have since been linked to the matches, so I can now identify the relationships between the three of them.<br />
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Another good thing was that, out of the nine other DNA matches shared between myself and the closest new match, I have already identified a common ALLEN ancestor with seven of them, and another one connects to the ALLEN surname, although we've not proved who the shared ancestor is yet. The ninth match has two other shared matches, creating an isolated group that I hadn’t been able to link into an ancestral line, so perhaps these new matches might lead to the opportunity to do so.<br />
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One would think that, with all this information, the connection to the new matches should be obvious, but I didn't recognise the oldest ALLEN ancestor in their line. <br />
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However, following some research today, I have now written to the match. Potentially, if there is any doubt about the connection between their oldest two generations, then I might just have the answer. 🙂<br />
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<br />Barbara Griffithshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06663134740555588042noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-270065650508943132.post-36146479178312019822020-02-28T08:22:00.000-08:002020-02-28T08:22:22.896-08:002020 52anc. Wk 9: Rose Hannah HAYNES (1874-1958) Rose Hannah HAYNES, one of my paternal great grandmothers, was born on the 20th December 1874, the daughter of George HAYNES and Caroline HARRIS. At the time, the family were living at 16 Henry Street, St Mary, Cardiff, Glamorganshire.<br />
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By the time of the 1881 census, the family were living in Bromyard, Herefordshire - which is where both of Rose Hannah's parents had been born. What they were doing in Cardiff at the time of her birth is currently unknown and mobility is always an interesting subject, so I'll try researching that when I consider her parents as a couple.<br />
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These are the 1881 census details:<br />
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Bromyard, Herefordshire<br />
Brick Clamp<br />
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Geo. Haynes, Head, Mar, 25, Ag Labourer, Herefordshire Bromyard<o:p></o:p></div>
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Caroline Haynes, Wife, Mar, 27<o:p></o:p>, Herefordshire Bromyard</div>
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Rosannah Haynes, Daur, 6, Scholar, Cardiff<o:p></o:p></div>
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Albert Haynes, Son, 4<o:p></o:p>, Herefordshire Bromyard</div>
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George Haynes, Son, 3<o:p></o:p>, Herefordshire Bromyard</div>
Emma Haynes, Daur, 1, Herefordshire Bromyard<br />
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So it is clear the family moved back to Bromyard relatively soon after Rose Hannah's birth and a baptism entry for "Rosanna Haynes", with the parents George and Caroline, took place in Bromyard on the 8 Nov 1875, so it is possibly safe to assume they had moved back by then.<br />
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Further siblings arrived in the years before the next census and I imagine Rose Hannah helped around the house and with her younger siblings. However, by 1891 she is out at work, as a domestic servant:<br />
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1891 census<br />
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Much Cowarne, Herefordshire, England<br />
Leighton Court<br />
(The DENT family, a farmer, with his wife and six children aged between 13 - 19)<br />
Rose HAYNES, Serv, S, 19, General Servant Domestic, Wales Cardiff<br />
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I haven't just assumed that this is the correct entry, especially given the couple of years discrepancy on her age. However, whilst searching on Ancestry for Ros* Haynes, +/-5 years of her birth year, and no birth place specified, does produce a number of results, none of them look likely to be an entry for "my" Rose Hannah in 1891, nor is there any person in the other years', or database, results, who could be this one in 1891. So, at the moment, my conclusion is that either she had added a few years to her age, or there was just a mistake in recording it. There are some other age variations across the various records for the family, which I shall look into in the future.<br />
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Her parents and siblings are still living at Brick Clamp in Bromyard in 1891:<br />
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[Class: RG12; Piece: 2069; Folio: 26; Page: 9;]<br />
Brick Clamp, Bromyard<br />
George Haynes, Head, M, 35, General Labourer, Herefordshire, Bromyard<br />
Caroline Haynes, Wife, M, 38, Machinist, Herefordshire, Bromyard<br />
Albert Haynes, Son, S, 16, Agricultural Labourer, Herefordshire, Bromyard<br />
George Haynes, Son, 14, Agricultural Labourer, Herefordshire, Bromyard<br />
Emily Haynes, Daur, 13, Scholar, Herefordshire, Bromyard<br />
Henry Haynes, Son, 8, Scholar, Herefordshire, Bromyard<br />
Ann Haynes, Daur, 5, Herefordshire, Bromyard<br />
Jane Haynes, Daur, 3, Herefordshire, Bromyard<br />
Ernest Haynes, Son, 2, Herefordshire, Bromyard<br />
Florence Haynes, Daur, 7mo, Herefordshire, Bromyard<br />
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Rose Hannah HAYNES married George THOMAS in the Bromyard parish church, on the 25th December 1895. Their married life, and descendants, will be the topic for my next post.<br />
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<br />Barbara Griffithshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06663134740555588042noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-270065650508943132.post-47527323786244028052020-02-27T08:59:00.001-08:002020-03-05T05:31:35.827-08:002020 52anc. Wk 8: George THOMAS (1871-1955) I'm now starting the entries for my second set of paternal great grandparents, George THOMAS and Rose Hannah HAYNES<br />
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George THOMAS was born on the 14th April 1871, at Little Kyre, Worcestershire, the second child of at least seven born to John THOMAS and Priscilla, formerly ROBINSON.<br />
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The 1871 census was taken on the 2 April 1871 so, unfortunately, he doesn't appear in a census until he is almost 10 years old.<br />
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In the 1881 census, George is with his parents and three younger siblings in Little Kyre, Worcestershire:<br />
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[1881: Class: RG11; Piece: 2907; Folio: 20; Page: 3; ]<br />
Bank Street<br />
John Thomas, Head, Mar, 38, <strike>Mason</strike> Bricklayer, Herefordsh Linton<br />
Priscilla Thomas, Wife, Mar, 35, Wife, Worcestershire, Knightwick<br />
George Thomas, Son, Unm, 10, Scholar, Worcestershire, Little Kyre<br />
Matilda Thomas, Daur, Unm, 5, Scholar, Worcestershire, Little Kyre<br />
Anne Thomas, Daur, Unm, 3, Scholar, Worcestershire, Little Kyre<br />
Lilia Thomas, Daur, Unm, 1, Worcestershire, Little Kyre<br />
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In 1891, George is working for a DORRELL family, in Stoke Bliss, as a general farm servant. This time, his birthplace is given as Stoke Bliss, Herefordshire:<br />
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[1891: Class: RG12; Piece: 2319; Folio: 135; Page: 7]<br />
Barrett's Bank<br />
(DORRELL family of 3, and a Housekeeper)<br />
George Thomas, Serv. S, 19, General Farm Servant, Herefordshire, Stoke Bliss<br />
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It's no wonder researchers become confused, when details vary like this - not just a different parish but also a different county!<br />
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"Is it the right person?" has to be a consideration and the evidence examined carefully, to try to ensure the conclusion, ie that this is him in 1891, is reliable.<br />
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In a case like this, my first act these days is usually to look up the places online, using a search engine - either for a map where I can check the distance between the locations, or for something like a topographical dictionary. Here, I soon found the British History online entry which tells me that:<br />
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<span style="color: #20124d;">KYRE, LITTLE, a hamlet, in the parish of Stokebliss, union of Tenbury, Upper division of the hundred of Doddingtree, Tenbury and W. divisions of the county of Worcester, 5 miles (S. E. by S.) from Tenbury; containing 144 inhabitants. It is surrounded on three sides by the county of Hereford, and intersected from north to south by the road from Tenbury to Bromyard......</span></blockquote>
So clearly, Little Kyre, where the family lives, is actually a smaller area within the larger parish of Stoke Bliss.<br />
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But what of the different county?<br />
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Once again, British History online provides an answer:<br />
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<span style="color: #20124d;">Stoke Bliss was formerly chiefly in the Herefordshire Hundred of Broxash, the hamlet of Kyre Parva only being in Doddingtree Hundred. The whole parish was transferred to Worcestershire in 1897....</span></blockquote>
So, the larger unit, Stoke Bliss, was a parish which straddled the county boundaries and was predominently classed as Herefordshire at the time of the census. So, when the parish was used for George's birthplace. the county also changed.<br />
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Another way to find out more about the relevant areas is often to look at the first page of the census enumerator's book, which, in this case has a detailed description of the "remaining part of the parish of Stoke Bliss......In Hereford", as well as a description of the properties in Little Kyre. (Unfortunately, not all enumerators completed this page in such detail.)<br />
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Having sorted out the geography, I'd still then search for other entries for the name "George THOMAS" and compare the possibilities in the census to other records - were there others born about the same time, in the same area, that might account for this census entry? Or are there other census entries that could potentially be "my" George?<br />
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Without other family members present in the census entry to help to confirm relationships, it is important to consider these sorts of questions.<br />
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As it happens, there were three born in Worcestershire in the 1870 - 1871 range, but only "mine" in the Tenbury District. Another three were born in Herefordshire (seven if I include those with a middle name). There are also some birth entries where 'George' is the middle name, rather than the first name - but potentially their middle name could become the preferred name in later years.<br />
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So clearly there are likely to be others in the census, with the same name, living within the general county area. Some of these are easily identified but some census entries couldn't be easily discounted just from the index - for example, a George Thomas, of the right age, a servant living in Eardisley, with no birthplace shown in the index.<br />
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That would have been a possible contender if it wasn't for the fact that, on checking the original sheet, it is obvious that the transcribed index has failed to include any of the birthplaces from the page and I can happily ignore this one, as he was born in Radnorshire.<br />
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So, having looked carefully at the entries, I am happy to conclude that the 1891 entry in Stoke Bliss is the correct one.<br />
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Later censuses, which I shall consider when dealing with George's own family, give his birthplace as Little Kyre, Worcestershire - I suspect the 1891 details might have been given to the enumerator by the head of the family, rather than by George, although, if asked what parish he was born in, perhaps he would have answered "Stoke Bliss" anyway.<br />
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George married Rose Hannah HAYNES on 25 December 1895 in the parish church at Bromyard and I'll write about their later lives in a separate post.<br />
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British History Online<br />
Little Kyre: https://www.british-history.ac.uk/topographical-dict/england/pp711-713<br />
Stoke Bliss: https://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/worcs/vol4/pp349-354Barbara Griffithshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06663134740555588042noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-270065650508943132.post-503912860125796502020-02-25T09:58:00.000-08:002020-02-25T09:58:09.964-08:00Ancestry close matchesI was beginning to think that my comment on the 12th January - that everyone was just waiting for Christmas to buy DNA tests - was clearly not justified, since there was then a lack of any new close matches for almost another fortnight, during which time 23andMe announced they were laying off staff. When Ancestry also then reported lay offs, on the 5th February, it just emphasised how much of a downturn there has been in the DNA testing market.<br />
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However, it hasn't been all "doom and gloom" since - I've received seven new "4c and closer" matches since my comment ( 24/1, 1/2, 11/2, 13/2, 19/2, 21/2, and 23/2) bringing me up to a total of 190. <br />
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Out of these new matches, one was someone who has also tested at 23andMe - which is useful, since I have identified the potential shared ancestor with this match, and that helps to confirm some of the shared lines at Ancestry, which were suggested through match clustering.</div>
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Another match was a predicted 3rd cousin - by the time I'd explained how our shared matches enabled me to identify approximately where in my pedigree they fitted, ie a shared match who is a first cousin of mine meant my paternal side, sharing with certain second cousins of mine narrowed it down to my paternal grandmother's ancestral lines, and a shared third cousin meant the connection was most probably through my great grandmother HAYNES' ancestry somewhere, they'd discovered just how closely they were related to that third cousin, and it was clear exactly where they fitted into the family! </div>
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The other matches haven't been quite so easy to place, varying from no pedigree information and no shared matches, to both good pedigrees and at least one shared match, with a possible suggestion of which of my ancestral lines they will connect to, based on the shared clustering. </div>
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So, still a bit of research to be done for most of the new matches, but with a possibility of success for at least some of those. </div>
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Which makes for steady progress towards my goal of identifying all of my '4c and closer', as well as giving me some more examples to use in a presentation that I am currently working on, on how helpful shared match clustering can be.</div>
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23andMe Lay-offs: https://blog.eogn.com/2020/01/23/23andme-lays-off-100-employees/</div>
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Ancestry Lay-offs: https://blogs.ancestry.com/ancestry/2020/02/05/our-path-forward/</div>
Barbara Griffithshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06663134740555588042noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-270065650508943132.post-12303830154597372212020-02-08T07:09:00.002-08:002020-02-08T07:09:57.232-08:002020 Week 7: 52 Ancestors - and their descendants. John PARRY & Rosina PREECE One of the lessons I learnt quite quickly, when I began using DNA as a tool for researching my family history, was that I couldn't limit my research in the way that my parents had.<br />
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For my father, his goal was to trace the direct lines back. Yes, he would use information about any siblings if it helped him to identify the 'right' line, but those siblings were never a focus in his research.<br />
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My mother was more interested in family life. How many siblings did her ancestor have? What was life like for the family growing up? And how <u>did</u> that mother cope with ten children? (Answer, as supplied by the aunt with ten children - "It's all right, after the first couple, the oldest bring up the rest" )<br />
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Now that I am making use of DNA results in the research process, I realised that the people who make up our DNA match lists (if genuine, genealogical matches, which they might not always be) have to be descendants of our ancestors, ie in order to trace our connection, it is not enough to just know who the siblings of our ancestors were, sometimes we might have to follow them down through several generations in order to arrive at our DNA matches.<br />
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Which is why, as well as posting about my direct ancestors in this series, after each couple, I will include a post about their other children and any generations beyond that, that I know about - subject to any privacy considerations regarding living people, of course.<br />
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For close generations, as in the case of my great grandparents, John PARRY & Rosina Louisa PREECE, we hit the privacy limit quite quickly.<br />
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John and Rosina had two children, my grandfather, Donald, and his sister, Rosina Jane, who was always known as "Aunty Joan" by my Dad's generation. Sadly, their mother Rosina Louisa died after giving birth to Rosina Joan and so it is unlikely I will ever find any records showing the whole family together. John also died quite young so the children, aged 13 and 14, were sent to live with separate relatives.<br />
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But, despite such beginnings, the known descendants of John and Rosina have numbered over eighty five people, spread across four generations. They aren't all living any more but, even so, I think that's an impressive legacy, from such a short marriage.<br />
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A few of the descendants of John and Rosina have taken DNA tests and show up as matches to me at the levels which would be expected for such close relatives. It is very useful having such relatives in the DNA databases, as they make it possible to narrow down which lines of my ancestry any shared matches are likely to connect to:<br />
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">How DNA tested close relatives can help in identifying connections to shared DNA matches</td></tr>
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<br />Barbara Griffithshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06663134740555588042noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-270065650508943132.post-89424311372655106852020-02-08T06:44:00.000-08:002020-02-08T07:22:29.466-08:002020 52Anc. Wk 6: Rosina Louisa PREECE (1882 - 1905)<br />
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One of the reasons for taking up the "52 ancestors in 52 Weeks" challenge in the way that I am doing it - effectively "auditing" the information I have on each person - is to finally make some headway with the "Do-over" that I started in 2015. I have a lot of documents and files relating to my family history, but many of them were produced, or obtained, by my parents, rather than by me. So the Do-Over is a good opportunity for me to "start again" from myself, to ensure my research is on a proper footing, and that everything is recorded properly. It is also a way for me to get to 'know' my ancestors, as well for me to add any additional information now available since my parents did their research.<br />
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This process of going through everything is bringing to my attention information that I had missed when just looking at Dad's family tree file. <br />
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Rosina Louisa PREECE, my Dad's paternal grandmother, was born 18 January 1882, in Park Street, Hereford. Her parents were Charles PREECE, a draper, and Jane, formerly TAYLOR.<br />
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I had not realised that Rosina's birth was actually registered with the names "Rosa Louisa", although later documentation, (two census records, her marriage certificate, her two children's birth certificates, and her death certificate) all refer to her as Rosina.<br />
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Something else I had not noticed - the birth was registered on the 4th March 1882, over six weeks after the event.<br />
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The informant for the birth registration was a Susan NICHOLAS, who lived in Conningsby Street, and who is described as having been present at the birth. When I first saw who registered the birth, I just wondered, was Susan a friend or a relative? To be trusted to register the event, I suspected she was more than just a casual acquaintance - but then again, it did seem odd that she might have made a mistake about the name.<br />
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Once I noticed how long it had taken for the birth to be registered, I wondered if I had got this wrong. Perhaps it is more likely that Susan was a local woman who regularly attended women during childbirth - effectively an untrained midwife. It was the responsibility of someone present to register the birth and, if Susan was acting as a midwife and she then passed on to the Registrar a list of babies she'd attended in this "semi official" capacity, that might make more sense regarding the late registration and the name discrepancy.<br />
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A Susan Nicholas does appear in Hereford in the 1871 - 1891 censuses, although not living in Coningsby Street. She's the wife of a Joseph Nicholas, who was a sawyer. There's no occupation shown for Susan, but that's probably not unsurprising, since midwifery wasn't legally recognised until 1902.<br />
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I wonder if it's possible to check whether there are many other children whose births were registered by Susan?<br />
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<b>But back to Rosina....</b><br />
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Rosina was the second known child of Charles and Jane, the first being William Charles PREECE, who was born in Hereford in 1870. Since there are almost twelve years between the births of the two children, one wonders at the family circumstances - the father, Charles, is present with Jane in the 1871 census but, in the 1881 census, Jane is the head of the household in Park St., working as a laundress but still shown as being married.<br />
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In the 1891 census, Rosina and her mother, Jane, now widowed, appear in Norton, Radnorshire. The address is "The Laundry", but the enumeration schedule number is 26A, with number 26 being described as "Gardener's Cottage". Based on the enumerator's marks, as well as this numbering, I suspect the cottage and laundry were the same property. The building appears to have been part of the Boultibrooke estate of the Jones-Brydges family and, since Jane's occupation is given as a domestic laundress, it seems likely she was working for that family.<br />
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By 1901, the family are living in Bridge Cottage, Mordiford, Herefordshire. In the census for that year, as well as Rosina Louisa, aged 19, and her mother Jane Elizabeth, there is a child, Ethel Kate PREECE, aged four, who is described as a daughter to Jane. However, since Ethel Kate was born in Abertillery, Monmouthshire, she is more likely to be one of the daughters of Jane and Charles' son, William Charles PREECE and would be the grandchild of Jane.<br />
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Rosina married John PARRY, at the parish church in Mordiford, on the 16th April 1903. John was 37, Rosina was 21. Her father, Charles PREECE, is not shown as deceased on the certificate but, from the 1891 and 1901 census entries, where her mother is shown as widowed, it appears he was (or certainly was nowhere to be seen!) The witnesses were her brother, William Charles PREECE, and John's brother-in-law, Thomas Daniel SMALLMAN.<br />
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John and Rosina had two children, one of which was my grandfather, Donald. Sadly, Rosina died after giving birth to her second child, a daughter, her death caused by "flooding collapse" two hours after the delivery, followed by cardiac failure 16 days later. She was just 23 years old. <br />
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John PARRY was with her when she died. One can only imagine the impact the death of his young wife would have had on him. <br />
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I'm sure many of you have similar tragedies in your family history. How lucky we are these days, to have our modern medical care, which reduces the numbers of such incidents.<br />
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<b>Sources</b><br />
1871 census: (Rosina's parents, Charles & Jane, with brother, William Charles, staying with Jane's parents, William and Mary TAYLOR) Class: RG10; Piece: 2699; Folio: 60; Page: 39;<br />
1881 census : (Rosina's mother, Jane, and brother, plus visitor/boarders) RG11; Piece: 2594; Folio: 83; Page: 41;<br />
1891 census: Class: RG12; Piece: 4581; Folio: 18; Page: 5;<br />
1901 census: Class: RG13; Piece: 2478; Folio: 60; Page: 4;<br />
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Census entries for a possible Susan NICHOLAS:<br />
1871 (Green St, St Owen, Hereford) Class: RG10; Piece: 2698; Folio: 66; Page: 39;<br />
1881 (Gaol St, St Owen, Hereford) Class: RG11; Piece: 2595; Folio: 85; Page: 6; G<br />
1891 (Hunts Cottage, All Saints, Hereford) Class: RG12; Piece: 2061; Folio: 94; Page: 7;<br />
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First Midwives Act 1902 - https://memoriesofnursing.uk/articles/midwifery-in-britain-in-the-twentieth-century<br />
Enumerators marks: A single diagonal line is used between households, or families, within the same building, and double diagonal lines are used between buildings.<br />
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<br />Barbara Griffithshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06663134740555588042noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-270065650508943132.post-18211614077878280032020-02-04T02:29:00.000-08:002020-02-04T02:29:49.775-08:00DNA Updates. LivingDNAA few days ago, I received an email from LivingDNA to say there was an ancestry update available, so I clicked the relevant buttons to start the update process.<br />
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At the same time, I took a look at the Wellbeing section of their website and, although I am not overly interested in that side of my results, I noticed that they did offer two reports for free, so put through an 'order' for those. It will be interesting to see how the information compares to that available from 23andMe but, since it takes 6-8 weeks for the report to arrive, I'll comment on that later.<br />
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The ancestry update was said to typically take under 48 hours and, true to that, the next day I received an email stating the results had successfully updated.<br />
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<b>So who am I now? 😉</b><br />
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<b><br /></b>Above the figures section, there is a "Last updated" date and, by clicking there, it is possible to get back to a page with details about the recent update and the opportunity to "view previous results". When clicked, the previous results just appear as figures in a pop-up window so it currently looks as if the only way of keeping a copy of the previous results map would be to take a copy <u>before</u> updating your results.<br />
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A pdf of the old figures can be requested - but despite the pop-up saying "Download pdf", clicking that doesn't immediately produce the pdf to save. Instead a message pops up to say the previous results will be available shortly and in the meantime you can screenshot your results - of course, if your previous ancestry involved many locations, several screenshots are necessary, as it doesn't seem possible to alter the size of the results pop-up to show them all. (or you could just select and copy the figures to paste elsewhere.)<br />
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The "headlines" for my latest update state:<br />
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4 regions added,<br />
5 subregions added<br />
Your ancestry predictions just got better! One or more regions related to your regional data have been refined to detect your DNA ancestry with more accuracy.</blockquote>
But I think those are generalised headlines - as I seem to have lost more than I've gained, in the way of regions:<br />
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Even though I am one of those people who tells others that the 'ancestry' results should be taken with a pinch of salt, as they are the most 'unreliable' of the findings from a DNA test, that doesn't mean I am not affected by a bit of 'confirmation bias' over my own results.<br />
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So I was rather disappointed to see these new results, in particular the reduction in the "South Wales Border" from its previous value of 61% to this new 35.7%. After all, I have frequently shown a slide in my talks which demonstrated how well my known ancestry matched to this high level of "border DNA".<br />
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(The blue for my mother's side of the family might not seem a good match to the multitude of colours in the rest of the 'Do-nut' chart but the blue represents Southeast England, which includes London and, within a couple of generations back from the pedigree shown, my mother's side of the family were spread out in counties such as Wiltshire, Gloucestershire, Hertfordshire, Norfolk and even another country, Germany, so it would be a better fit if I'd extended the pedigree further.)<br />
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There's more information from when I first produced the pedigree, in 2017, on my blog at <a href="http://notjusttheparrys.blogspot.com/2017/02/a-slight-sidetrack-my-livingdna-results.html" target="_blank">A slight sidetrack - my LivingDNA results </a> from which I note that, at that time, the "South Wales Border" was actually only showing 41%. This is because that was written when my results first arrived and there was then an update later in the year, when this region increased to 61%.<br />
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So, what do these new results tell me?<br />
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Results change because the companies have gathered more data. This changes the genetic signatures that the predictions are based on. Theoretically, these new results are more accurate - but they will continue to change, as more data is gathered.<br />
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As you can see from this comparison of my ancestry at three different dates, the percentages might go up or down for any given region, and some regions will appear or disappear totally:<br />
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So maybe it's time to remind myself to take the 'ancestry' percentages (from any company) with a good pinch of salt!<br />
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My original blog post about my LivingDNA results<br />
<span style="font-family: "calibri"; font-size: 12pt;">https://notjusttheparrys.blogspot.co.uk/2017/02/a-slight-sidetrack-my-livingdna-results.html</span>Barbara Griffithshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06663134740555588042noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-270065650508943132.post-86009807085363093732020-02-03T11:16:00.000-08:002020-02-03T11:16:00.972-08:002020 52Anc. Wk 5: John Parry (1865 - 1918)The theme for Week 5 of the 2020 '52 ancestors in 52 weeks' was "So Far Away" and, because I am now moving on to ancestors that I didn't know personally, that seems applicable as, historically, they are so far away from me!<br />
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This post is about John PARRY, my great grandfather. Since he died in 1918, when his son, my grandfather Donald, was only 14, none of my father's generation knew John either, so there are very few stories passed down about him and what I know is being reconstructed from the records.<br />
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John was born on the 3rd September 1865, in Glynfach, Breconshire, according to the birth certificate, although his birthplace is often recorded in census records as "Capel-y-ffin". He was the second son of Thomas PARRY and Sarah, formerly JONES. His siblings were Thomas, Elizabeth, and Lewis.<br />
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The first census John appears in is 1871, when the family is living in Llanelen, Monmouthshire. Sadly, John's mother, Sarah, and his brother, Lewis, had already passed away and the family were living with John's grandmother, Anna PARRY (frequently recorded as "Hannah" but not in this census). John's uncle, James PARRY, aged 23, was also living there.<br />
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In 1881, John is living with his grandparents, William and Hannah JONES, in Tyndrain, Glynfach, Breconshire, where he is recorded as a Farmer's son, working with his grandfather.<br />
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I've struggled to identify John in the 1891 census. However, my Dad did think that, at some stage, John travelled across to America as a cattle man. It is possible that this explains my inability to find him in this census, and "John Parry" is just too common a name for me to identify him amongst records such as passenger lists etc, at the moment.<br />
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However, by 1901, John is living in Holmer, Hereford, with his occupation as a "Cattle Dealer". He is still single but living with him is his sister-in-law, Mary PARRY, and her three children, Eleanor, Elizabeth, and Walter. Although Mary is recorded as married, unbeknown to them, she had been widowed by then. John's brother, Thomas, had been killed in July 1900 in South Africa, during the Boer War.<br />
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John married Rosina Louisa PREECE, on the 16 April 1903, in Mordiford, Herefordshire. Their first child, Donald, was born in Mordiford, their second, Rosina Jane, in Cornewall Street, Hereford.<br />
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Sadly, Rosina died having given birth to their second child and John was left to bring up the two children on his own, no doubt with assistance from friends and relatives.<br />
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One of Amy Johnson Crow's prompts for this week's topic was "Maybe you found an ancestor far from where you expected?". And, yes, I think John's 1911 census entry fits that description, although not because of distance - but because he is in Hereford Gaol!<br />
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That certainly was far away from the situation I expected him to be in, as a widowed father of two, in employment as a cattle dealer (and no, there's no hints of "rustling"!)<br />
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I am still piecing together the full story of his stay in prison, so I am not going to write more about that at the moment. But just to say, for now, that I imagine nine months in prison must have had quite an impact on John and his two young children who, at that time, were aged just seven and five.<br />
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However, I know from Poll Books for 1910 and 1912 that John Parry was living at 104 Widemarsh Street, Hereford, both before and after his time in prison. This is the address where his children were boarding in 1911, so clearly a level of stability was maintained for them while their father was absent. The description of the rooms occupied shows "Bedroom, first floor, sitting room, ground floor, furnished". <br />
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The Landlord (or, at least, the person to whom the rent was paid), was a Charles OLDACRE. Charles Edward OLDACRE is also the Head in the 1911 census, living in the property with his wife and three children of their own. There are also another two adult boarders. Charles is occupied in "horse dealing" and one of the other boarders is a "stock dealer".<br />
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The photograph below is not of the relevant house, but just one I took in 2011. At the time, I didn't have all the details I do now about John's addresses, but I knew that 'Widemarsh Street' was an address my Dad had mentioned, so it seemed like a good idea to photograph the sign showing the name.<br />
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<br />John passed away on the 21st November 1918, aged just 53. His address at the time was 18 Newmarket Street, Hereford, and the informant was an M A FRANCIS, described as a step-niece, who was present at the death. <br />
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The causes of death were given as "morbis cordis" and "syncope". My Dad obtained the certificate and appears to have asked what the causes meant since, stored with the death certificate, is a response stating that morbis cordis is heart failure, and that this would have been the most likely term to put if John had died as a result of a general weakness following 'flu'. The syncope means 'fainting' - although, as the respondent says "I never knew it was fatal!"<br />
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Whether John had suffered from the flu of 1918, or whether there were other factors which caused his death at such an age, I will probably never know. Following his death, I believe the two children were sent to live with other relatives, Rosina possibly in Hereford but later in London, and Donald to the Rowlestone area of Herefordshire.<br />
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I don't know exactly what John's occupation as a cattle dealer involved - but writing this reminded me of the shows my family visited when I was young so I thought I would end with a cattle photograph, probably taken in the early 1960s, more than likely at the Three Counties Showground, Malvern.<br />
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1871 census: <span style="font-family: "calibri" , sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">Class:
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<span style="font-family: "calibri" , sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">1881 census: </span><span style="font-family: "calibri" , sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 14.6667px;">Class: RG11; Piece: 5470; Folio: 71; Page: 1</span></span><br />
1901 census: Class: RG13; Piece: 2482; Folio: 90; Page: 32<br />
1911 census: Class: RG14; Piece: 15712; Schedule Number: 215<br />
<br />Barbara Griffithshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06663134740555588042noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-270065650508943132.post-25343715830747719462020-01-29T06:33:00.000-08:002020-01-29T06:33:58.517-08:002020 52Anc. Wk 4: Maud Emily Alice DOWDINGLet me introduce you to my grandmother, Maud Emily Alice DOWDING. This photograph of her was taken in 1915, when she was aged 19.<br />
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She was born on the 7th September 1896, the fourth of seven children to Charles Henry DOWDING and Minnie Louisa HARRISON. Her siblings were Charles Christopher George, Horace Charles, Minnie Ellen, Glencoe Roberts, Ethel Sophia, and Rose Harriet. Five of the children, including Maud, were christened at Saint Anne's, Westminster, Middlesex, England, in Maud's case, on the 27 Sep 1896. The other two children were christened in Lambeth.<br />
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I don't know much about Maud's childhood or upbringing. Although I have not found school details for her, she signed her own name on her marriage certificate, and as a witness for the marriage of at least one of her siblings, so she clearly had some level of education. But, in 1901, neither of the two children at home (Charles aged 8, and Maud, recorded as "Emilie", aged 4) were shown as being at school - but then nor were any children on nearby schedules, so perhaps the enumerator only noted occupations.<br />
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From my mother's accounts of her own upbringing, Maud didn't appear to value education very much - at least, not for a girl - as Nana didn't seem very bothered about sending Mum to school on time! My grandfather worked nights, delivering newspapers, and it appears Maud often kept my mother up in the evenings for company and then they didn't get up early in the morning, so as not to disturb Grandad.<br />
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As a result, in order to avoid being told off for being late, Mum would then skive the rest of the morning school, frequently just playing in the park, and turn up for the afternoon session instead - assuming, of course, that when she went home for lunch, Maud actually had some food in and didn't need to go to the shops first.<br />
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If that was the case, well, that was a whole day off school!<br />
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In 1911, Maud, aged 15, is shown as working in a "Tobaca Factory". It seems likely she remained at the same factory until her marriage to John William Frederick ALLEN in 1926, since she is described on her marriage certificate as a "Tobacco stripper", and the family were still living at 27 Pratt Street, Lambeth, where they had been in 1911.<br />
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Maud and John on their wedding day in 1926</td></tr>
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Once married, John and Maud moved out to a council house in Dagenham and, five years later, my mother was born. I think the following picture, with 'Jack', the family dog, would have been taken at around that time.<br />
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Maud passed away on the 12th March 1971.<br />
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Sources<br />
Ancestry.com. England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 [database on-line].<br />
Ancestry.com. London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1917 [database on-line]<br />
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This post is about my grandfather, John William Frederick ALLEN. There's so much to record about the ancestors we actually knew, and I am already behind with the "52 ancestors in 52 weeks" so I am going to keep this fairly short and just introduce the key facts. I am sure I shall be returning to John many times!<br />
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John was born on 17 February 1892, in Bethnal Green, London.<br />
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He was the second of four children to John Prosser ALLEN jnr and Caroline NAYLOR. His siblings were Amelia Bessie, Albert Edward and Robert.<br />
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Their names caused some confusion for my mother, when she first began her family history research. Amelia had always been "Aunty May", and her uncles had always been referred to as "Bert" and "Bob". It might seem obvious now which is which but, when starting from the shortened versions, especially "Bert", which can represent several names, the early research was not easy.<br />
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And, of course, they are all common first names. Combined with a fairly common surname, as well, identifying the correct civil registration entries was quite a problem for Mum - in fact, it is only since the advent of the GRO's own online indexes, with the inclusion of mother's maiden names before 1911, that I have finally managed to identify Albert's birth registration.<br />
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Even my mother's Dad's name caused her an issue when she was younger - it was discovered that, whilst he always seemed to be known as "John William Frederick" and that is what is on my grandparents' marriage certificate, his birth certificate actually shows his name as "John Frederick William".<br />
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Thinking that this might mean the marriage was not legal, I gather Mum asked, "Does that make me a b......?"<br />
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She told me that comment earned her a "clip round the ear"!<br />
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We all have our own perspectives on other people, based on our experiences. To me, my grandfather was a happy man - in all the photographs, he seems to be smiling and having a good time. I have memories of him and others together in my grandparents' house, larking around on an out of tune piano, (frequently singing a song that
involved “more beer”!)<br />
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He passed away in 1967, when I was still a child.<br />
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So it was only when I was older, speaking to Mum about her experiences growing up, that I learnt about other aspects of his life and possibly why there might have been more to the "more beer" song.<br />
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Grandad fought in the 1st World War. He had actually enlisted before the war, in 1909 and served with the Colours for three years before being transferred to the Reserve. He was then mobilised and served again from 1914 - 1919. For some reason, he was recalled to the Colours again in 1921 and served for another five months. <br />
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At some stage, he met his first wife, although he didn't marry her until their son was almost four. Sadly, she died in 1918, of TB, barely nine months after the wedding. John was serving in Salonika at the time - Mum believed he did try to get home, but was told by his officer "there's no point, she'll be dead by the time you get there". And when he asked what would happen to his son, he was reportedly told not to worry - he'd be put into an orphanage!<br />
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Fortunately, John's son was not put into an orphanage, but looked after by John's parents - but would it be any surprise if Grandad felt bitter towards those in charge?<br />
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I don't know when John met my grandmother, Maud Emily Alice DOWDING, but they were married in 1926. My mother was their only child. She's passed on a few stories of her childhood, being brought up by 'older' parents, and effectively as an only child, since her half brother was seventeen years older than her. But they can wait until another time.<br />
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Barbara Griffithshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06663134740555588042noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-270065650508943132.post-698383404174940882020-01-26T04:42:00.000-08:002020-01-26T04:42:14.906-08:0052 Ancestors Week 2: Favourite PhotoBack in 2018, when I first attempted the "52 Ancestors in 52 weeks", the topic for week 2 was "Favourite Photo", just as it is for week 2 of 2020 (and, yes, I know it's now the end of Week 4. Stuff happens!). Although I probably won't be using all of the suggested topics for my posts through the year, it's funny that I get to use the same photograph this year:<br />
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This is a photograph of my grandparents, Donald and Elsie PARRY, taken at a special wedding anniversary. My 2018 post had concentrated on my grandfather, Donald, but my second post this year was always intended to be about my grandmother, Elsie May, formerly THOMAS, and her family. So it seems ideal to include this photograph again now.<br />
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In some ways, I feel I missed out on getting to know my Nana. With my Dad in the RAF, we'd moved away from the area where Nana and Grandad lived when I was six, and only "day visited" for most of the time after that. Talking to one of my cousins recently, she revealed how it had been Nana who taught her how to knit. I can just imagine the relationship such shared activities would have created.<br />
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I do remember seeing Nana knitting - she was one of those ladies who could hold one needle under her arm as she knitted, which is a very fast and efficient method of knitting, unlike my own technique, which takes me quite a while to finish anything.<br />
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Elsie was born in 1902, in Collington, Herefordshire. She was the fourth of ten children to George THOMAS and Rose Hannah HAYNES. Her siblings were Edith, Ernest, Hilda, Ada, Matilda, Emily, George, Olive and Dorothy.<br />
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What were the conditions that she grew up in? George THOMAS was described as a "farmer" when Elsie was born, which might conjure up an image of a fairly comfortable life, in a landowning family. But, for the births of subsequent children between 1904 - 1915, his occupation appears on their birth certificates as "General Labourer", which creates a rather different image, one of someone lacking skills and maybe just taking any work that's available. <br />
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The truth is probably somewhere in-between those two images. In 1901, his occupation was given as "Ordinary Agricultural Labourer". The school admission register entries for six of the children over the same time period as the above births describe him as a farmer, with a seventh entry recording his occupation as "Woodman". In 1911, he's a "Farm Labourer" and when Elsie married Donald PARRY in 1927, her father was described as an "Agricultural Labourer". Finally, in 1939, he appears as a "Farm Labourer retired*. <br />
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So the overall picture painted is neither that of a well-to-do landowning farmer, nor one of an unskilled labourer, but of someone employed working on the land, carrying out a range of farming tasks, all of which probably required a certain level of skill, but also, potentially, could have been for the same employer for many years, providing stability for the family. <br />
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In such circumstances, though, I imagine the family didn't have much spare money and all of the children would have grown up helping out in some way, at least until they were old enough to earn money through other means. For example, in 1911. Elsie's oldest sister, Edith, aged 14, appears to be working as a domestic servant for a PRICE family in Bromyard.*<br />
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However, from the National School Admission Registers & Log-Books 1870-1914 on FindMyPast, I know that the first seven children, at least, attended the Tedstone Wafer School (the last three would have begun after 1914, when the online records end). So they were clearly educated, and in some cases, beyond what appears to be the leaving age for compulsory education*. Elsie herself started at the school on the 17 March 1908, just before her sixth birthday, and left on the 18 June 1915, when she was 13.<br />
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I have no evidence for what work Elsie might have done in the twelve years between then and when she married, and there is no occupation given for her on the marriage certificate. However, according to my Dad, she was employed as a children's nanny at the time she met Donald. As with many women, their work after marriage goes largely unrecorded but I am sure she was involved in many instances of working on the land, particularly during harvest times, so the "Unpaid domestic duties" reported in the 1939 register is probably a wholly inadequate description of her activities.<br />
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I remember my mother (brought up in Dagenham, so very much a "townie") being in awe of Nana's practical abilities (especially her ability to walk to the hen house and have a chicken caught, killed, and half plucked even before she got back up the garden path!) <br />
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So my image of my grandmother remains one of a very practical, and hard working, country lady.<br />
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1901: RG13/2491/8/7<br />
1911 (Elsie as "Elise") Class: RG14; Piece: 15795; Schedule Number: 20<br />
1911 (Edith) Class: RG14; Piece: 15787; Schedule Number: 50<br />
1939: (George) RG101/5813J<br />
1939: (Elsie) RG 101/5807I<br />
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Isn’t it great when a new ‘4th cousin & closer’ appears, and
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Four other matches, who all seem to share one suggested line. I may
not have identified the 'most recent common ancestor' yet (the suggested "HARLAND" line comes from a surname & location in common with one of the
matches), but this ‘clustering’ gives me something to work on (ie the potential connections between each of the matches), as well as helps me to focus on the part
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In my view, this use of shared matches to produce networks, or
clusters, is one of the most effective methods for making sense of our matches
at the DNA companies. Last year, I led a workshop at the Family Tree Live
show in Alexandra Palace about ‘Genetic Networks and Triangulation’, and have decided it might be helpful for others if I post some of the information
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<span style="color: black; font-family: "arial"; font-size: 10.0pt;">I wrote about my initial foray into networking
back in 2017, with the post at </span><a href="http://notjusttheparrys.blogspot.com/2017/08/ancestry-shared-matches-and-new.html" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: "calibri"; font-size: 11.0pt;">http://notjusttheparrys.blogspot.com/2017/08/ancestry-shared-matches-and-new.html</span></a></div>
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Since then, other methods for using the shared matches have been
developed, for example, the Dana Leeds Method of clustering, MyHeritage’s
Autoclustering and the auto clustering of the Collins-Leeds Method in the
DNAGedcom Client App - all of which are useful tools.*</div>
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But I still like the ‘genetic network’ method, which can take
account of every shared match, as opposed to many of the clustering methods,
which have restrictions on who is in the cluster, eg all the matches in a
cluster must match a certain percentage of the other matches in the
cluster. Whilst that might be useful for those people with thousands of
close matches, I think, for those of us with only a few hundred, it can cause
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But what is the theory behind clustering? </div>
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We all (hopefully) know that having known relatives tested can
help us to narrow down which part of our family tree other matches connect
to.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>For example, with parents tested,
your matches can be divided into paternal and maternal matches, depending on
which parent they also match. (There will probably be a few "false
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The principle can be extended with other known relatives, for
example, if a cousin of my father tested, it narrows down the potential link
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ie a match to both my Dad's cousin and me will either descend from
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Even if we don’t have any known relatives tested, the principle
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It does get a bit complicated when trying to describe shared
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But it should be possible to see how people in particular positions in our family tree will only match certain other relatives, depending on which ancestral lines they share.<br />
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<span style="font-size: 13.3333px;">I think a key question to ask to understand this is "Where has the DNA come from?" We received our autosomal DNA through all of our ancestral lines. Our matches will have received their autosomal DNA from all of their ancestral lines. The only way we can be genuine genealogical matches is if we share an ancestor somewhere so that we both received the 'same' segment(s) of that ancestor's DNA. Each segment will only have travelled down to us through one of our ancestral lines. </span><br />
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<span style="font-size: 13.3333px;">Some other people who descend from that ancestor will also have received the same segment. For example, m</span><span style="font-size: 10pt;">any people are testing siblings, parents and close cousins. Such a group of close relatives will all match each other and several of them would be likely to share any particular segment. </span><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> </span><span style="font-size: 10pt;">So (assuming
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This is the principle behind all the "clustering" and
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With close relatives, matches fall into only a small number of
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increases. If we could just look at matches who all share an ancestor with us
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All</div>
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1</div>
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Half
Siblings</div>
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One
side, paternal or maternal</div>
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2</div>
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1<span style="vertical-align: super;">st</span> cousins</div>
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2
grandparents</div>
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2</div>
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2<span style="vertical-align: super;">nd</span> cousins</div>
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2
great grandparents</div>
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4</div>
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3<span style="vertical-align: super;">rd</span> cousins</div>
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2
great great grandparents</div>
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8</div>
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4<span style="vertical-align: super;">th</span> cousins</div>
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2
great great great grandparents</div>
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16</div>
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But the reality is, there will be overlap between groups when
there are relatives from different generations included.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>For example, <span style="font-size: 10pt;">matches at second cousin level will match two separate clusters
from third cousin level, whereas people in one of the third cousin clusters
will not match those in the other:</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 13.3333px;">There are issues to be aware of - b</span><span style="font-size: 10pt;">eyond third cousins, it's possible there will not be sufficient
DNA in common for cousins to show up as matching each other.</span><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> </span><span style="font-size: 10pt;">But there is also the added complication
that, at some stage, we reach a point where we share multiple common ancestors
with some matches.</span><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> </span><span style="font-size: 10pt;">This means clusters
can show as being linked to each other when they don't actually share the same
common ancestor.</span></div>
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<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">But t</span>he main point is that, if we can identify
how a group of our matches all match each other, then that can sometimes help
us in identifying how we match them as well.</div>
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<div style="color: black; font-family: Arial; font-size: 10.0pt; line-height: 14pt; margin: 0in;">
And this was what I demonstrated at Family Tree Live, using my top
25 matches at Ancestry.</div>
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First, I allocated a letter to each match, for privacy.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Then I produced a table showing who amongst
those 25 matches matched each other:</div>
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Predicted
Relationship level</div>
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Shared matches</div>
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1<span style="vertical-align: super;">st</span> Cousin</div>
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Match A</div>
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B, E, G, L, V, W,</div>
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3rd Cousins</div>
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Match B</div>
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A, E, G, L, N, S,
W,</div>
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Match C</div>
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Q, T,</div>
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Match D</div>
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F, H, I, P, R, Y,</div>
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<br /></div>
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Match E</div>
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A, B, G, L, N, W,</div>
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<br /></div>
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Match F</div>
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D, H, O, P, R, Y,</div>
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Match G</div>
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A, B, E, L, N, W,</div>
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4th Cousins</div>
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Match H</div>
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D, F, K, M, O, P,
X,</div>
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Match I</div>
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D, Y,</div>
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<br /></div>
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Match J</div>
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(only shared
matches beyond the first 25)</div>
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<br /></div>
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Match K</div>
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H, M, O,</div>
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<br /></div>
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Match L</div>
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A, B, E, G, N, W,</div>
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<br /></div>
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Match M</div>
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H, K, O, P, X</div>
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</tr>
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<br /></div>
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Match N</div>
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B, E, G, L, W,</div>
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Match O</div>
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F, H, K, M, R, X,</div>
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Match P</div>
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D, F, H, M, R, X,</div>
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Match Q</div>
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C,</div>
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Match R</div>
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D, F, O, P,</div>
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Match S</div>
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B,</div>
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Match T</div>
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C,</div>
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Match U</div>
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(only shared
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Match V</div>
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A,</div>
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Match W</div>
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A, B, E, G, L, N,</div>
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Match X</div>
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H, M, O, P,</div>
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Match Y</div>
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D, F, I,</div>
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For the workshop, I produced an image showing lettered dots, with
no lines joining them up, so that people could have a go at manually producing
the network diagram (A relatively simple task, when the numbers of matches are
limited - I suggest not trying it manually with hundreds of matches!)</div>
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But here is the diagram with lines drawn to show who matches who:<br />
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<span style="color: black; font-size: 10pt;">As you can see, the matches fell into three groups of shared
matches.</span><span style="color: black; font-size: 10pt;"> </span><span style="color: black; font-size: 10pt;">Not everyone in each group
matches everyone else, but the groups are separate from each other.</span></div>
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I don't know exactly how I relate to all of the matches - some
have not responded to messages, others have no information about their
families.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>However, by placing those I do
know onto my tree, it is possible to get a good idea as to why the matches in each network form
the groups they do:</div>
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Network 2 appears to all be on my father's side of my family, as all the
known matches would have received DNA from ancestors of my paternal
grandmother.</div>
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Network 1 is on my mother's father's side of my family.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>There are six matches who potentially trace
back to a NAYLOR family in London in the early 1800s. The NAYLOR line marries
into the ALLEN line at my great grandparents level and, of the other five
matches in this network, two descend from the ALLEN line prior to the two lines
joining, two descend from after the lines join and one is unknown.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></div>
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If I removed from the network the two who descend from after the
lines join, as well as the unknown match, who also appears to descend from both
lines, this network would fall into two separate groups that do not share DNA
with each other - matches who descend from the NAYLORs in one and matches who
descend from the ALLENs in the other.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>Since these matches do not have any ancestry in common, it is not
surprising that they do not share any DNA either:</div>
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The smaller Network 3 is on my mother's mother's side of my family
and can be seen as a similar pattern to Network 2, with a close match who
descends from two of my ancestral lines (DOWDING and HARRISON), matching two
others who each descend from one of those lines and who therefore do not match
each other.</div>
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It is not possible to rely solely on the information from DNA
networks or clusters - as I have mentioned, multiple common ancestors, and the
variable nature of DNA transmission (as well as company policies regarding the
thresholds being used for showing shared matches) can mean that some people
show as matches who 'shouldn't' (because they share through a different
ancestor), or don't show as matches when they 'should' (because the DNA has
dropped out, or the quantity of shared DNA is below the company threshold.) </div>
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But hopefully, it is clear that shared matches can provide vital
information to help us trace our common ancestry with our matches. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></div>
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[And, just in case you're wondering about the lack of matches from my father's father's side, I suspect this is due to a mixture of family structures and the fact DNA testing is still not as popular in the UK as in some other countries. In the three ancestral lines represented above, my grandparents all had multiple siblings, and recent generations have embraced DNA testing. Whereas my paternal grandfather only had one sibling and, as far as I am aware, only one of the descendants has tested and that was at a different company. I do have matches from further back on this, my PARRY line, at several of the other companies - so no worries so far about anybody's parents not being the expected ones. But that is always something one must bear in mind! :-) ].<br />
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<span style="color: black; font-family: "arial"; font-size: 10.0pt;">The Dana Leeds Method of clustering - </span><a href="https://www.danaleeds.com/the-leeds-method/"><span style="font-family: "calibri"; font-size: 11.0pt;">https://www.danaleeds.com/the-leeds-method/</span></a><span style="color: black; font-family: "arial"; font-size: 10.0pt;"> </span></div>
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<span style="color: black; font-family: "arial"; font-size: 10.0pt;">The DNAGedcom Client App (subscription based) - available from </span><a href="https://dnagedcom.com/"><span style="font-family: "calibri"; font-size: 11.0pt;">https://dnagedcom.com/</span></a></div>
<br />Barbara Griffithshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06663134740555588042noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-270065650508943132.post-7219004981563863182020-01-12T04:37:00.000-08:002020-01-12T04:37:15.518-08:00Another new "fourth cousin and closer"Typical, isn't it? <br />
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Just after I posted yesterday that I had a total of 182 '4c & closer' on Ancestry, along comes another one!<br />
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I'm not complaining though. I have been tracking the number of matches I have on Ancestry for some time and the predicted close matches seemed to have stagnated. This is the first one since the 27th November 2019.<br />
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I'd received four matches that month, with three of them being in the first week so, by the end of the month, with only one new addition, there already seemed to be a slowing down of matches. To then have none at all during December was a bit concerning. <br />
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But perhaps yesterday's is a sign that everyone was just waiting for Christmas.<br />
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It will be interesting to see what my graph looks like in a month or so:<br />
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<br />Barbara Griffithshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06663134740555588042noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-270065650508943132.post-68900097296685336152020-01-11T09:54:00.000-08:002020-01-25T07:11:20.079-08:00AncestryDNA - Numbers of "4th cousins and closer"<br />
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I was going to make
my next post about DNA and Genetic Networks, as I'd like to refer to
the networks when writing the "52 ancestors" posts.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>However, Ancestry seem to have made a change
and I thought I'd write about that instead.</div>
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I was alerted to
this change yesterday when a 'Help' request was posted on the DNA help for Genealogy (UK) FaceBook Group<span style="font-size: 11pt;"> - the
poster had noticed that the number of their Ancestry "4c &
closer" matches had suddenly reduced. </span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Of course, that
probably sent all of us to check our own results.</span></div>
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I currently have 182
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Donna Rutherford, one of the FaceBook Group admins, said she'd heard that Ancestry had changed the threshold
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So, is this a
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When I came to write this post today, I tried to redo some of the images from yesterday, as they were just mobile screenshots. However, already the situation has changed. The filter itself now shows my total "4c & closer" matches as 182 - but it still indicates the lowest quantity of shared DNA is 21 cM and the actual list of filtered matches still ends with the 149th, even though the unfiltered list goes up to the 182nd match.</div>
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Since the total has changed back to the original figure, I suspect the intention may not be to increase the threshold permanently (but I could be wrong!)</div>
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<b>Another Update (25 January 2020)</b></div>
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I noticed yesterday that the Close matches filter does now show the cM range for 4th cousins or closer as 20 - 3490 shared centimorgans and both the main, unfiltered, list and the filtered 'close match' list ends with the same match for me.<br />
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Whatever caused the initial issue has clearly been resolved and Ancestry have not changed their thresholds.<br />
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*<a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/AncestryUKDNA/" target="_blank">DNA help for Genealogy (UK)</a></div>
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Barbara Griffithshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06663134740555588042noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-270065650508943132.post-403682136258668482020-01-05T08:32:00.000-08:002020-01-05T08:32:46.937-08:0052 Ancestors Week 1: Fresh Start(s)Soon after our children were born, we gave my parents one of those Grandparents books - you probably know the sort of book I mean, containing questions about their lives, as children, growing up, and on into middle age. After each question, there's a blank space, which they are supposed to fill in with lots of interesting detail about the times that we, as their children, have no experience or recollection of (after all, parents are often 'old', or even deceased, by the time we think of asking such questions.)<br />
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I remember my disappointment, after my father passed away, when I discovered that the blank spaces were all still blank (even though he had been a family historian!) <br />
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Fortunately for me, there are records and artefacts that shed light on a few of the things they did. For example, my Mother recorded all of addresses she'd lived in, in her bible. My Dad also had made use of the end of a kitbag, in order to record the places he'd been stationed at:<br />
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<br />Looking at Mum's bible, I can see that, from the time my brother was born, my family lived in eleven different UK addresses, and two (relatively) permanent addresses in Singapore, as well as four temporary guest houses whilst travelling to and from Singapore.<br />
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We probably didn't travel as much as some service families but, even so, that's a lot of "Fresh Starts" that had to be made, with new surroundings, new schools, new friends etc. <br />
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<br />Barbara Griffithshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06663134740555588042noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-270065650508943132.post-16504241799074343892019-12-31T09:09:00.000-08:002019-12-31T09:09:57.273-08:00Doesn’t time fly!I was thinking it was January 2019 when I first attempted the “52 ancestors in 52 weeks” but no, it was January 2018!<br />
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For those who don’t know, the “52 ancestors in 52 weeks” is a blog writing challenge initiated by Amy Johnson Crow* about five years ago to help genealogists publish their research in an interesting and informative way. Bloggers try to write one post each week. Amy suggests topics for each week, and, although the suggested topics are optional, it had seemed like a good idea to use them.<br />
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But, as you can see from there only being two posts in the series here, my attempt didn’t last long.<br />
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I soon discovered that trying to write topic based posts when you haven’t carried out sufficient research on the ancestors isn’t very easy. Most of my family history was originally carried out by my parents and, although my intention has been to check their work and add to it (see my Genealogy Do-over posts in 2015), I still haven’t managed that. So my lack of personal knowledge of the research, combined with general “busy-ness” meant the posts ground to a halt.<br />
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The “52 ancestors in 52 weeks” challenge is still taking place - you can see all the 2020 topics on Amy’s site, at <a href="https://www.amyjohnsoncrow.com/52-ancestors-in-52-weeks-2020-themes/" target="_blank">https://www.amyjohnsoncrow.com/52-ancestors-in-52-weeks-2020-themes/</a><br />
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And I’ve decided that my lack of research shouldn’t be a reason for not posting, so I am going to take part again. However, with a change in tactics - it’s more important to write ‘something’ than to try to produce a detailed article, which then fails to be posted because it isn’t finished, or isn't “good enough”.<br />
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So, I am unlikely to be following all the topics, and posts may sometimes consist of just a brief summary of who the ancestor is and what, or how much, information I currently hold on them. The aim will be to help me, getting the family history better organised, ‘auditing’ where I’m at with the research on each person, etc, rather than worrying about trying to entertain readers. The posts should then serve as the starting points for further research on the ancestors in the future.<br />
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It may not be the most interesting or exciting blog as a result, but hopefully will at least ensure the research moves forward.<br />
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Barbara Griffithshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06663134740555588042noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-270065650508943132.post-48452598655805097242018-01-20T07:59:00.000-08:002018-03-22T10:02:02.540-07:0052 Ancestors in 52 Weeks: Week 2 - Favourite Photo(I think I'm going to be interpreting the week numbers loosely in this series!)<br />
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Week 2's prompt was <span style="color: blue;">"Favorite Photo." - Tell the story of the people, place, and event in a favourite photo. Where did the photo come from? Who has the original now? How did you get a copy of it?</span><br />
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It's difficult to choose one favourite photograph, amongst all the thousands I have but, in keeping with my aim of working through my ancestors systematically this year, I've chosen this one:<br />
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These are my paternal grandparents, Donald PARRY and Elsie THOMAS. The photograph was taken at a party to celebrate a special wedding anniversary. It's the first in a series of photographs that gradually expand through the family, to include their children, children's spouses, grandchildren and then, finally, everyone who was at the party. Including the piano player who, according to a story told to me years later, just happened to be someone in the pub at the time who was able to play the piano!<br />
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I don't think there is one 'original' print of the photograph - all of the main family members had copies.<br />
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In this post, I'm focusing on my grandfather, who was born on 3rd February 1904, in Mordiford, Herefordshire, the son of John PARRY and Rosina Louisa, formerly PREECE. Donald was baptised on 17 April 1904 - I was rather surprised when I first found that baptism entry on the British Vital Records cds, as it was less than 100 years old at the time. But thanks to that surprise, which led me to enthusiastically show the entry to my mother, and then randomly decide to search for one of her "brick wall" ancestors, we solved that brick wall of hers! (I'll save the details of who that was, for when I tell that ancestor's story.)<br />
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Donald had one sister, Rosina Jane, who was born in Hereford on 5th April 1905. Sadly, their mother, Rosina Louisa, passed away sixteen days after giving birth to her daughter.<br />
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One can only imagine what Donald's early life must have been like, having lost his mother so young. Or how their father coped with the two infants, whilst also trying to earn a living. I suspect other members of the family may have helped out, but actual evidence for what happened is in short supply. Perhaps there were 'non-family' carers involved - there has to be some explanation for the anomalies I found in the local school records. On the 3rd February 1908, Donald was admitted into All Saints Infants School but the school registers show his father's name as Donald Martin Parry, rather than as John, and Donald himself is recorded as Donald in one register and Albert Donald in another.<br />
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Although his sister was over a year younger than Donald, she is admitted to the infants school just three months after Donald, in May 1908. Was this as a result of a difficult home situation?<br />
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There are errors in her school admission entry, as well, with the father's name recorded as Donald Martin again and her birth date entered as the 19th April, rather than the 5th. She is also named Jane, rather than Rosina - but I do know she was called 'Joan' throughout her later life, so potentially this is not an error, but the name used for her from infancy.<br />
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One of my aims of following the 52ancestors series is to help me organise and record the information I currently have on my family. But it also serves to indicate where more research is required. And clearly there is a need to investigate these errors in the school records further, if possible, so I have added an item to my Research Log, to look for any school log books which might reference the family and clarify the details on the admission registers.<br />
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I don't have any major concerns about the errors though, as the address for the entries, 104 Widemarsh Street, ties in with where Donald and 'Jane' appear in the 1911 census, with their names as per their birth certificates:<br />
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However, the 1911 census provided me with a mystery, which you might have noticed - where is their father, John PARRY?<br />
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He wasn't actually difficult to find. What was more difficult was identifying why he was where he was - since he was in Hereford Gaol!<br />
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I'll save the full story (or as much as I currently know of it) for when I write about John. But, just to avoid too much suspense, he was jailed on the 24 March 1911, by the Sheriff's Court, for 'Contempt of Court'. And he wasn't released until the 9th December 1911.<br />
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Donald remained at the infants school until March 1912, when he transferred to the 'senior school'. Since he was only aged 8, I assume the 'senior school' was what we would now call a Junior School. It was possibly "St Owens Council School" as, in 1914, Donald was awarded a prize from there, for regular attendance:<br />
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The book was Treasure Island and Kidnapped, by Robert Louis Stevenson (and purchased from C.E.Brunwell, Bookseller, Broad Street, Hereford, according to a little sticker in the back). I wonder if these tales of adventures inspired Donald, who later set off on travels of his own.<br />
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I currently don't have any further information about the family until 1918 - in November of that year, Donald and Rosina's father, John, passed away, aged 53. It must have been a very difficult year for them, as their grandfather, Thomas PARRY, had also died in the February. I don't know what level of contact Donald had, had with his grandfather, but it is possible that Thomas had been living with John and his family in the months prior to Thomas's death, although he actually died elsewhere. (This is based on the address given on Thomas's probate entry.)<br />
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What happened to Donald and Rosina after their father, John, died?<br />
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As far as I can gather, Rosina was looked after by an aunt and Donald was sent to stay with (and potentially work for) other relatives. Almost five years later, in September 1923, Donald obtained the Grant of Administration for his father, whose effects were £30 14s 3d. Then, in April 1924, he emigrated to Canada, in the company of a Rowland Thomas LEWIS. We believe the two of them were on an agricultural scheme, but the arrangements are unclear - according to the Form 30a, Donald had paid his own fare across.<br />
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I haven't yet discovered when Donald returned to the UK, but he was here by February 1927, when he married Elsie May THOMAS. Donald and Elsie lived for a while in Hanbury, Worcestershire, where they appear in the 1939 register. Later they moved to Herefordshire and then down to Cornwall, before eventually moving back to Herefordshire, and finally Worcestershire.<br />
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Donald and Elsie were able to come to my wedding. We saw them in the months following that, when they chose some of the wedding photographs that they wished to have copies of. Sadly, Donald passed away before we had a chance to give them the copies. I remember leaving the photographs with one of my aunts, after Donald's funeral, for her to give to Elsie at a more appropriate time.<br />
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It was one of their last 'days out' together.<br />
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Writing this has made me aware of how much information there is about my closest ancestors that still needs to be compiled properly - including any recollections of Donald and Elsie that those of us still alive might have. The further back we go, the less detail we are likely to find out about our ancestors - so I think it's important that we record as much as we can about those we did know, and pass that information on to the generations to come.<br />
<br />Barbara Griffithshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06663134740555588042noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-270065650508943132.post-46453763441211439382018-01-15T11:18:00.000-08:002018-01-15T11:18:37.193-08:00Another potentially identified DNA connectionIsn't it nice when things just work out?<br />
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I haven't done much regarding DNA over the past month or so, due to other activities. But I have tried to keep up with the "new" events, such as the MyHeritage changes. I'll write more about my results at that site at another time - this post is about an Ancestry find.<br />
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Late last night, (probably too late, I should have been on my way to bed, but you know that thought, "I'll just check one more thing" 🙂) I decided to look at how many '4th cousin and closer' matches I have on Ancestry. I thought it would probably be 81, which is what it went up to a week ago. But the numbers have been increasing more rapidly recently, with five new matches in that category since the beginning of the year, so I am ever hopeful of an increase.<br />
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The total was 82!<br />
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I quickly searched for the new match - no tree and only a 'good' confidence level, with 22.7 centimorgans shared across 3 DNA segments. That could mean three segments at about 7.5cM each, or it could be one longer segment and a couple of smaller ones. I won't know unless they transfer their data to another site. Still, it would be worth following up when I get time.<br />
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But then I looked for any shared matches. Often there are none, as shared matches only show for matches in the "4th cousin and closer" category so, if this match also matches some of my more distant matches, the more distant ones won't show up on this person's profile. But, this time, there was one shared match shown, predicted 'high confidence', with 38cM shared across 2 DNA segments. And with a tree of eleven people.<br />
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I keep a running total of the numbers of matches I have, as well as noting the names of new matches and anything interesting about them (like whether they have a family tree, or a surname in common with me). So I could tell that the shared match had appeared on the 9th of January and, at that time, was not showing a family tree. So I am fortunate in that it looks like they are interested in finding out more about their ancestry, as they have taken the trouble to add some family details.<br />
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There were two surnames in common with me, LEWIS in Wales and ALLEN in London. The Welsh one was not in one of "my" counties, so I took a closer look at the ALLEN first.<br />
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There were no dates, just the location for the one female ALLEN's birth in London. But her marriage was shown, so that gave me her husband's name. Armed with that information, I was able to identify their marriage, in 1926, on Ancestry. London records are well represented on the site so I didn't just find the civil registration index but also an image of the actual parish register. That gave me the bride's father's details, Herbert Henry ALLEN, a poulterer. As the bride's age was shown on the certificate, it didn't take long to find the family in the 1911 census, Herbert Henry (33), with wife, Ada (32), and children, Edward (12), Florence (11), Herbert Henry (10), Frederick (7), Joseph (6), Dorothy Violet (5), Cyril James (4), Bessie Maud (3) and Frank Reuben (1). From there I checked the 1901 census, which showed Herbert and Ada, along with the two older children. Herbert's birthplace was Lambeth in both censuses. Ada's and the children's varied from Lambeth to Brixton and Stockwell, but these are fairly closely connected areas in south west London, and all familiar from my own family.<br />
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The next step was to identify the marriage of Herbert Henry ALLEN to Ada - I used FreeBMD for that and found that the most probable entry was in September 1898, in Camberwell. Back to Ancestry to search for the church records. Yes, again the entry was there - Herbert Henry ALLEN, aged 20, married Ada SPRINKS on September 12, 1898. Herbert's father was a John ALLEN, Perambulator Maker.<br />
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Now that's exciting - because my John Prosser ALLEN, snr, was also a perambulator maker. And, on February 10th, 1878, my John, with his wife, Sarah, christened their son, Herbert Henry ALLEN!<br />
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Obviously, I need to continue to work through the details, and check for my John and Sarah in records such as the censuses, to make sure their Herbert is with them, or not, as appropriate, and that there's no evidence to suggest this isn't the right connection to my DNA match. I also need to contact the shared match who appeared on my list yesterday, to confirm whether or not they connect to the same family line. And, of course, it would be great if both matches transferred their raw data to one of the other DNA sites, so that we can check exactly where we match on the DNA. That would also mean I could look for more evidence, for or against the connection, amongst my other DNA matches.<br />
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ALLEN is a fairly common surname, so I don't follow up general references to it on my DNA matches' surname lists - but, who knows, if these two matches do transfer their data, perhaps there'll be others matching over the same segments and with the same surname. I'd certainly be following those up then!<br />
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Just going back to the quantity of DNA shared - 38cM is the average for 4th cousins (based on Blaine Bettinger's Shared cM Project*) whereas we actually appear to be 3rd cousins. So the shared DNA is a bit on the low side, but well within the range. The match with 22.7cM could be more distant, but I am hopeful that they will still be within the range of my genealogy!<br />
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(And I did eventually get to bed last night - although it was 'today' rather than yesterday!)<br />
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Blaine Bettinger's Shared cM Project - https://thegeneticgenealogist.com/<br />
Interactive Tool by Jonny Perl - https://dnapainter.com/tools/sharedcm<br />
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<br />Barbara Griffithshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06663134740555588042noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-270065650508943132.post-24951957357205107582018-01-05T14:49:00.000-08:002018-01-05T14:49:28.640-08:0052 ancestors in 52 weeks - Week 1 - Start<blockquote class="tr_bq">
"Let's start at the very beginning..."</blockquote>
Perhaps I am being a little unimaginative, but I'm going to take several of Amy's suggested starting points and make my first "52 ancestors" post about myself. After all, we're always advised to begin our family history with ourselves, and I am the "Home Person" on my Ancestry public tree.<br />
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But then again, I am not actually one of my own ancestors - so I'm also going to include my parents in this post. Although they are both deceased, it still seems too close to publish much online about them, from a privacy point of view, so covering all three of us at once means I can then move on to the more distant ancestors, knowing I have at least mentioned us all in the series.<br />
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For those who don't know, the "52 Ancestors in 52 Weeks" is a series of weekly prompts, produced by Amy Johnson Crow, aimed at helping genealogists share their research about their ancestors. I did consider taking part in the series some years ago, when I began the Genealogy Do-over. At the time, I'd recently acquired all of my parents' family history records and I was planning to work through them, starting with myself, in order to confirm, and add to, Mum and Dad's research.<br />
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Unfortunately, I got "bogged down" after about week 6 of the Do-over, and never started the actual "family history" tasks (although I learnt a lot about tools and techniques during those first few weeks, which definitely came in handy for some of the other activities I had going on then!) You can find my 'Do-Over' posts earlier in this blog. My more recent posts here (if you can call them "recent"!) have related to my DNA research. Once again this is something that I find easy to get bogged down with, as DNA can rapidly become complicated, especially for those of us who are not particularly 'technologically minded' and who have to work hard at understanding what all the various tools can do. <br />
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But one of the things I have learnt, in all the years since first taking a DNA test, is that family history is important! DNA alone will not produce all the answers. It needs to be combined with genealogy - so hopefully, this year will be the year when I really feel I demonstrate some proper "genetic genealogy"!<br />
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Anyway, back to my "start".<br />
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Obviously my parents were present - and they continued to be responsible for many of my "starts" in life. Particular memories for me include my first driving experiences - steering an old Bedford van, whilst sitting on Dad's lap (I couldn't reach the pedals!) and, as soon as I was legally old enough to drive, giving Mum a fright when I turned a corner rather abruptly, after she'd bravely allowed me to drive her car on a disused airfield. Mum and Dad were both responsible for my enjoyment of gardening - I have many happy memories of visits to garden centres, and certain plants will forever be associated with particular experiences involving my parents. They were also both responsible for my interest in photography, another of their joint hobbies. A camera was passed down to me when I was merely six or seven and, again, specific memories are intrinsically linked with the two of them, such as photographing lightning in Singapore, and doing our own developing and printing at home.<br />
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Of course, the combination of these two hobbies does have its downside, as I now have thousands of photographs of flowers to deal with!<br />
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Mum was creative - I didn't inherit any of her musical skills but I like to think that some of her practical side has rubbed off on me, for general handicrafts and (potentially!) model making. Dad was also practical but more studious. He was responsible for my interest in archaeology - I remember the two of us watching Mortimer Wheeler on television when I was a teenager. Dad was also the one who began our family history research, back in the early 1980s. <br />
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And he was the one who first mentioned DNA to me, around the year 2000, asking me if I knew anything about it. By then I had begun researching and was concentrating on our surname of Parry, since that was the one Dad had got stuck on and Mum and Dad were both working on all of the other branches. One of my regrets is that my response was to say, no, I didn't know about DNA and didn't see how it could be used with a multiple origin surname like ours. <br />
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If only I had asked what had he read and did he want to do it.......<br />
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Dad passed away within a year of that conversation. Fortunately for me, seven years later, when I had finally learnt a bit about DNA, another male relative was willing to take a Y-DNA test. But what a missed opportunity, to have been in there right in the early days of genetic genealogy. Who knows what situation my DNA surname research would have been in now if I had acted differently?<br />
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But there's no point looking back at what might have been. I'm what's known as a "RAF BRAT", so am fairly used to moving on without allowing regrets to build up. And I am so grateful for the wealth of experiences my parents gave me, and for the treasures I still have to explore, within their research, as I begin this year's journey to increase my knowledge about all of my ancestors.<br />
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Amy Johnson Crow - <a href="https://www.amyjohnsoncrow.com/52-ancestors-in-52-weeks/">https://www.amyjohnsoncrow.com/52-ancestors-in-52-weeks/</a>Barbara Griffithshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06663134740555588042noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-270065650508943132.post-90960493112384418962017-08-09T09:27:00.001-07:002017-08-09T09:27:44.039-07:00Shared matches - matches who match both my paternal and maternal linesThis is just a quick post, to show the information I looked at, in order to reply to a question Debbie Kennett asked on the ISOGG DNA-NEWBIE mailing list. The question was "how many people have double matches in their tree, ie, where a person has a match with both your mother and your father." <br />
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Now, I don't have my father tested - he passed away in 2001. However, I do have all four of his siblings tested, as well as a paternal first cousin of theirs. So, whilst it's not quite the same, as I know there are still some areas of my chromosomes where none of my Dad's relatives match me, the data should give me a reasonable indication of the overlap between my matches and the two different sides of my family (which, as far as I am aware, are not related to each other). <br />
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I had actually noticed this 'matching to both sides' some time ago, when I first started playing about with my FTDNA "in common with" (ICW) data and the Pajek program (which I mentioned in my previous post) just to see what the program did. I realised then that eleven of my matches seemed to match both sides of my family. Yesterday, I decided to check the current situation in order to answer Debbie's question.<br />
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To do this, I used the DNAGedcom Client app to download my ICW file from FTDNA. I then extracted all the matches who are in common between me and my six relatives (my mother, Dad's four siblings, and their paternal 1c). I then used the Pajek program to display the information. This first image was produced using the options "Energy: Kamada-Kawai: separate components"<br />
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The program can display the names associated with each point, but I have obviously removed those for privacy reasons. It is quite clear that there are two main clusters, with sixteen matches spanning the two groups. I spread those sixteen out manually, to make them more obvious, but it's not very easy to see what is happening within the two groups, so next I tried the options "Energy: Fruchterman Reingold: 3D". Again, I've straightened out the sixteen matches in the middle and this time allocated reference numbers to them, as well as to my relatives:<br />
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In this image, as well as the sixteen matches who link to both the paternal and maternal sides of my family, the clusters of matches for each of my father's relatives are more distinct.<br />
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(The same information can also be discovered by using a spreadsheet containing all six of the ICW files combined together and creating a pivot table with match names down the rows, and my relatives as the column headings, the table then showing a count of the match names. By filtering on all those who match my mother, and gradually working through all those who match one or more of my paternal relatives, the full list of people matching both sides of my family can be obtained.<br />
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Doing this in a pivot table has the additional benefit that, once the list of people who match both sides is completed, it can be used to pick out the same people from the chromosome browser (CB) file*, so that the actual nature of the matching segments can be examined. <br />
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I've allocated matches to the maternal or paternal sides of my family on the basis of who shares the same segment as the match does to me. However, in the cases where I share two segments with a match (M11 and M14) the segments are each shared by different sides of my family, so that it appears I connect to those matches through both the paternal and the maternal sides of my family:<br />
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<b>Pajek Quick Reference sheet</b><br />
http://www4.uwm.edu/people/haas/sna/pajekquickref.pdf<br />
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<b>Picking out the CB data for the "Both" people</b><br />
There's probably several ways of doing this but, as I am sure there's other people in the same situation that I am in, having to learn it as I go along (and relearn it every time I want to do something similar!) these are the details of what I did:<br />
Having cut and pasted the list of people identified as matching both sides into the first column of a new spreadsheet in the CB file, I pasted the following formula into an empty cell alongside the first match in the CB spreadsheet (replacing the blue text with the appropriate information): <span style="color: red;">=VLOOKUP(</span><span style="color: blue;">[the cell reference of the Full name column for the first match in the CB spreadsheet]</span><span style="color: red;">,'</span><span style="color: blue;">[the name of the new spreadsheet containing the list of people matching both sides]</span><span style="color: red;">'!A:A,1,FALSE)</span> , where the A is the column in the new spreadsheet containing the list of names who match both sides, so make sure that list is pasted into the first column labelled A. I then used 'Fill down' to copy the formula to all the cells in the CB column. The result is the cells either show #N/A, if that match is not on the "Both" list, or the name of the match, if they are on the "Both" list. I then used the filter function to show just the rows with the match name in and copied all the CB data for those matches into a new spreadsheet, which I used to create the table where I have allocated the matches to maternal and paternal sides.<br />
<br />Barbara Griffithshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06663134740555588042noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-270065650508943132.post-24202795939819312102017-08-09T04:19:00.000-07:002017-08-09T04:19:11.917-07:00Ancestry shared matches and a new connectionThis post continues my general theme of looking for strategies to deal with my DNA results - in this case, results from AncestryDNA.<br />
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I have 225 pages of matches at Ancestry, which
equates to almost 11,250 matches. I use the DNAGedcom Client app to
download the information. That gives me three files - a list of my
matches, a file showing which of the matches are in common with each other
(based around fourth cousins and closer only), and details from my match's trees. This latter, 'ancestors', file has over 345,000 lines of data in it, which seems a
staggering amount to consider dealing with - especially as, unfortunately, most of it is probably not relevant to my connections with my matches, as the majority of them are in the USA and few have traced their connection back to the UK, which is where most of my pedigree information relates to. <br />
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Although I do have three Ancestry Hints, which have been helpful, I don't appear in any 'DNA Circles'. So I've been looking at the "shared matches", to see what clues I can garner from those. Ancestry provides details of my matches that are fourth cousins and closer, and indicates where they share DNA with another of my close matches. They do also show the more distant matches that are shared matches to the closer cousins - but only by showing the closer match on the more distant match's profile. Given how many thousands of distant matches I have, I do not check each of their profiles individually to see if they just happen to match a closer cousin. So the app download makes this feature more useful, by picking up those more distant matches who are in common with the fourth cousins, as well as providing the information in a more convenient, (ie spreadsheet) format.<br />
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I have 59 matches within the '4th cousins or closer' category and 379 rows in the ICW* file downloaded by the Client app, which, as far as I am aware, includes each individual who connects to one of my '4th cousins or closer' matches. That's probably not many in comparison to people with colonial US ancestry but I imagine it's about average for those of us in the UK. And it is enough to do some simple 'network analysis', which I hope might allow me to make more sense of the data.<br />
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Let me say here that I don't really know anything about proper network analysis - I think that's complicated computing, with thousand of entries, which produces things like the Genetic Communities. It involves lots of statistical calculations and terms that I don't even understand the meaning of, yet alone know how to use! But most of us are probably capable of using some simple techniques - the basic concept for what I am doing I learnt when studying for a GCSE in psychology, so that's a qualification designed for teenagers. In that course, we were using it to analyse friendship patterns in a class of schoolchildren. The "sociometric" technique simply consisted of asking each child in a class who their three best friends in the class were. One then drew a diagram something like the following, where each dot is a person and the arrow shows the direction of the 'choice'.<br />
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It occurred to me some years ago that this type of diagram could possibly be used to help analyse genealogical networks and I had hoped to use it in my Parry One-Name Study to try to sort out the potential relationships among the lower gentry of Herefordshire (which contains numerous Parry connections that may, or may not, relate to the same Parry family). I came across a (free!) program* that looked like it would be useful for actually drawing the diagram (although it is easy to do by hand, if there's a lot to draw, a computer obviously does make it easier) but I never managed to get all the pedigrees typed up sufficiently to try it out for my study. Now, with doing genetic genealogy, it seems to me that the same principle could be used with shared matches.<br />
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And so the following diagram shows the connections between my shared matches at Ancestry:<br />
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In this image, each red dot represents one of my matches, and the blue lines indicate the other matches that they also match. I am not using arrows, just lines, as the genetic relationships will be in both directions.<br />
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As you can see, the matches fall into groups, Sometimes these are made up of just two or three people who are shared matches with each other. But there's also some larger groups, one of about 50 connections, and the other with over 150 connections.<br />
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It was interesting to see how the data plotted, but how does this help me? <br />
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Well, my theory, as you've possibly guessed by now, is that the people in the same group are likely to connect to me (at some level) through the same ancestral line. <br />
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So, firstly, I allocated everyone in each group an 'AncestryICW Group Number' (both in the Notes section of my view of their DNA profile on Ancestry and in my spreadsheet) to help me keep track of the Groups. I also added any information about potential surname connections. Here's the same diagram, with those numbers added and also some additional symbols based on my family history. (Key in the bottom right corner of image)<br />
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As you can see, the Group 1 (derived just from the genetic relationships provided by Ancestry), contains two people who share the surname NAYLOR with me. One of these I have discovered the potential connection to, the other currently just has the surname in common with me.<br />
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I've also 'starred' one match - over the weekend, I carried out a new download of the shared matches file. There were 32 new rows added since the previous download, which, once charted, increased the size of some of the existing groups and also created a few new ones. (NB these are not new 'fourth cousins or closer' - these are more distantly related new matches, who just happen to connect to my fourth cousins and closer. As such, I would not normally have checked them out, among the many new distant matches that keep being added.)<br />
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I was just starting to work through them, adding the group numbers to my spreadsheet and checking if the people had trees attached to their account, when I noticed the surname NAYLOR. Yes, one of the new additional matches in Group 1 also had a NAYLOR in their tree! It was just one, a NAYLOR female marrying into their SMITH family, with no other information about her except her husband's name, and their child's details. And the family were in the 'wrong' place in the UK (up in Lancashire, rather than in London) - but obviously I didn't leave it there.<br />
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By initially working on the husband of the SMITH child, and then finding him and his wife in the 1939 Register, I was able to obtain her proper birth date (1895, not 1885 as shown on the pedigree). That correction meant that I could then find her in the 1901 and 1911 censuses with her parents - her mother being the NAYLOR by birth. Those censuses gave me sufficient information to get back to the previous generation - who traced back to London and the entries I believe relate to my family in 1841!<br />
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All of this still needs confirming properly, especially the early censuses for the family, which I had found some months ago when identifying the other NAYLOR connection, who is in Australia.<br />
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But it all looks very promising that my new match and I are fourth cousins through the NAYLOR line.<br />
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So, just the process of simply grouping my shared matches, on the basis of who they are in common with, has been sufficient for me to spot a connection that I may not have seen otherwise, since the new match was identified by Ancestry as a more distant 5th-8th cousin, sharing just 9.7cM across 1 DNA segment. Although I understand that there may be other reasons for shared DNA of that quantity, unless I can find other evidence to contradict it, the simplest explanation, that the three matches in Group 1 who all share the NAYLOR surname with me obtained it from a common NAYLOR ancestry, does seem to be logical.<br />
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Network analysis program used for drawing chart: Pajek (http://mrvar.fdv.uni-lj.si/pajek/ ) [One day, I hope to learn to use the program properly, as I am sure it could potentially display the DNA information more effectively, taking account of features such as the closeness of relationships etc]<br />
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ICW - stands for "in common with" - the term often used for matches who also match someone else you match.Barbara Griffithshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06663134740555588042noreply@blogger.com2